NC State Baseball's Brutal Honest Autopsy (Part 2) | Tuffy Talk

In Part 1, Greg and Ethan tore apart the 2026 season — the schedule failures, the offensive identity crisis, the pitching injuries, and the analytics that tell the real story. In Part 2, they close the book on the Elliott Avent era, open the door on the Chris Hart era, and go through the entire roster player by player to figure out who's coming back, who's heading to the draft, and who's already gone.

They start with Avent's real legacy. Not the wins — the man. Four baseball coaches at NC State since World War II. Twenty out of twenty-three seasons in the NCAA Tournament. Three trips to Omaha. But beyond the numbers — the 500 text messages he received the day he announced his retirement, the Chris Combs story that goes far beyond baseball, and what thirty years at one school actually means when the scoreboard stops mattering.

Then it's Chris Hart. Forty-six years old. Twenty-four years as Avent's right hand. A five-year contract. Greg and Ethan debate whether Boo Corrigan called anyone else before settling on Hart, what Hart was actually responsible for day to day under Avent, and the uncomfortable question — was Avent a figurehead in his final years? Then the three things Hart must change immediately — the non-conference schedule, the pitching philosophy, and above everything else — NIL funding. NC State baseball is not competitive in the transfer portal market right now. That has to change in year one, not year three.

Then the full roster. Every single player on the 2026 roster gets a verdict — Nixon, Sherman Johnson, Ty Head, Rett Johnson, Garino, Nance, McHugh, Hemric, Ragusa, Marone, Dudan, Collins Black, Devin Mitchell, and more. Who has leverage, who doesn't, who's gone, who's staying, and who could make the biggest leap in 2027.

They close on the big question — is Nance, Ragusa, and Hemric enough as your weekend rotation to compete in the ACC? And what does Chris Hart actually need to go get this offseason to make NC State baseball dangerous again?

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Just just a, a pillar of, of coaches that have that have worn the, uh, baseball uniform for the Wolfpack. But, uh, yeah. Elliott Avent, 30 years, 1100 plus wins, three trips to Omaha, which before, you know, he was coach, we'd only made one trip to Omaha. Uh, so he, you know, had that legacy. And, you know, people are going to go. But but he never won a championship. He never he never did this. He didn't do that. And and I would push back saying like, it's damn hard to get to Omaha and you get a trophy when you go to Omaha, right? You get that super regional trophy and then you get a I hate to say it like this way, but you get a World Series participation trophy. Like that's not a participation trophy like t ball. You get you I mean, you get one in basketball. Two when you win your regional. Sure. Yeah. So to me, like you've won. Right. Like you have won a champion. I don't I don't know if you consider it a championship. That's the problem. But but you've definitely won something. So what what are you going to most remember about elite event? Two things stand out to me. Number one is the consistency. 20 out of 23 seasons. 20 out of the last 23. I think it was 23 total that they made the tournament. Um, in the mix every year. Like it's so easy to take that for granted in baseball. It's nearly impossible to do. Yeah. Um, yeah. So state was in 2009. State was 25 and 31 overall, ten and 20 in the ACC and that was after 2003 2008. They made six straight regionals, including two supers. But since 2010, obviously Rodan and Turner showed up in 2012. Yep. Since 2010, they missed two tournaments. And won there. That's just remarkable to me. Yeah, and they were. And they were the team that beat him out won the College World Series that year in 22 with Ole Miss. And they were a historic snub in 2020. They were, you know, and. They got snubbed at the World Series. Right. Like that was unbelievable. Right. Right. In 2014 they were 13 and 17 in the ACC. They haven't won less than 13 games in the ACC since 2009. Yeah. That is that is remarkable. Yeah. And so that stands out to me. Um, and then the other thing. I applaud you with that though. Can I pause you with that? Yeah. Now throw in NC state's facilities with that number. Yeah yeah yeah I mean I don't know. Well, I, I shouldn't say I don't know how many places you've been to watch baseball games. Almost all by myself. You've been everywhere. Yeah. You've been everywhere. Yeah. Um, and I'm not even talking just acc like, let's compare to other schools. Just in the state. Yeah. You look at App State, like NC, like Doak Field, the you know, it's been renovated a little bit now. But Coastal Carolina not in the state, but. The. Carolinas. Yeah. The Carolinas. Yeah. Clemson obviously much nicer. South Carolina much nicer. Carolina. Duke gets a. Little. Pass obviously you and sees much nicer. Duke got a little bit of a pass because they were playing at the Bulls stadium. Yeah. Wake Forest I actually have been to Wake Forest I'm sure that one's. It's a far more minor league ballpark. True. You know it's like it's. Compared to. Tech State. It's comparable to Uncg. Oh I love. Virginia Tech's. Beautiful so yeah yeah. Now my thing with Avon is I don't know how much that mattered the last 4 or 5 years. No, because it was kind of on autopilot. And that's not a knock on lead, Avon. It was just it was. It was just how good the the program was as a whole. Like it kind of self recruited. Like when you go to Omaha a couple of times, you're going to get people's attention. Yeah. Our recruits attention. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, continue. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. Uh so I yeah I the consistency and I would say just the, the fight the never say die attitude. You know this game was a great example. And Butch Thompson said after the game he said, you know, this is how I want my team to go out, you know, fighting back. They just you could see it. And was it, you know, was that kind of a solace in that sort of game? Yeah. But I think it rang true in pretty much every single for every, every single led event team. I don't ever remember seeing an elite event team that just kind of laid down. No. Or, you know, just kind of. I mean, you might have had a player or two, but as a team as a whole. No no, no. Like, yeah like it. And it was just it's hard to do. It's hard to do, um, you know, the amount of times you're able to rally the troops after injuries, after debilitating losses and say, hey, we're going to get up off the mat and fight. We may not win, but we're we're going to fight. We're going to go down swinging. Yeah. Every time. Every time. Like I, I never once saw an Elliott event team. Yeah. Never once. And I think all the all the congratulations you know, retirement texts and tweets and you know he was on, uh, a PM, and he said he had over 500 text messages that he had to respond to. If people just kind of reaching out after he announced that he was retiring. If you're not a good human being, like take, take the coaching aspect out of it. But if you're not a good human being, no one gives a crap like they're not there. Be like, Thank God that guy is gone. Right. And and you've not heard anything like that. Like some of the stories. Um, Andy Baquet, whose son was on the team a couple of years ago, was a former player. He he shared a bit. Did you see this video on on Twitter? Um, did you see when he posted that? I don't know if you saw that necessarily. Um. Uh, remind me of. Yeah, he was telling a story how, um, some of the guys flew in to see Chris Combs before he had passed, and they kind of like, they they were getting a lot of hassle from, from, I guess the the nursing facility or whatever. And, you know, they ended up parking like a half mile away in the woods. And then they kind of went backwoods and then snuck people into the building so they could all see Chris. Um, that was kind of a story he shared. Um, that's just what he did, right? Like, it was bigger than baseball for for Elliot, even. And I think, um, as a coach, yes, you're judged by wins and losses because that's just the nature of the game. But I think he he he is one in the game of life. Um, and I think that's what he'll be remembered most. Um, but yeah, I, it will be interesting. And we kind of talked about it on the live stream the other day. If you, if you, if you caught it like there's a whole generation of NC state fans that don't know any, uh, probably two, 2 or 3 generations of NC state fans that know nothing other than Elliott Avent, Pac nine baseball. Like, like this is again, I just talked about it. What's that? Three generations. Guess what I was. Yeah, I bought it myself. Yeah. And there's probably a generation younger than me. Yeah. And like I said, I barely remember Ray Tanner. Like, I was, um, like my late, like, early teens. When, uh, when Ray came on board or when Ray left. Excuse me, but, uh, yeah, it's going to be. It's going to be an interesting I I'm for me personally, I, I always love baseball. You always love baseball. But man, I can't wait for the fall to get here and see what a Chris heart team looks like. Um, you know, with the with the transfer portal, you know, you know, bringing new guys in. Uh, what is what? Like, I am super, super excited for Chris Hart. Uh, we talked about it the other night as well. Like when I looked at how old he was. He's only 46, but I'm like, dang, he's been here, what, 22, 23 years? 24 years. What is it? I don't remember I don't remember NC state baseball without Chris Hart. Yeah, that's how long it's been for him. Yeah. You know and so. Which is wow. Because like assistant coaches don't just hang around like like if they're worth their salt, which Chris Hart 100% is like this isn't a token hire if you will. Like. This guy is 100% qualified for this job. And and I do want to get your thoughts here real quick. Like, like do you think one this was the right move because again, we're not we're not in, you know, bu Corrigan's office and you know know what what his list look like. If he had a list, I would assume he had a list. But but, but due to how quickly this happened, um, it sure sounded like Chris Hart was the guy all along. And, like, maybe, maybe they made a phone call, I don't know, what do you think? So the only pushback I would have on that is I think we knew all year that this was Avon's last. Yeah. Especially as you got deeper and so. Right. And so I think you could have been making those. It wasn't like, oh, man, we got to wait for Eliot Avon to retire. Yeah. I wonder what he's gonna do. Yeah. Like, I, I think you could have been making those calls during the season. And at least for me, I would have been putting like a couple of calls in before I, I, you know, settled on Chris Hart. Makes it sound bad, but no, before I said, all right, let's go with Chris Hart. I would have called Dan Fitzgerald at Kansas. I would have called Justin here at Ohio State. Um, and that's pretty much it. You. I would have called Kevin at Coastal Carolina. I doubt you even like his agent. Probably laughs you off the phone and says, no, you're not talking to him. Yeah. Um, but to me, Fitzgerald, and here are the two guys that I would be like. Hmm. Would they have been interested and I. Who knows? Yeah. Um, who knows if those conversations even happen, but no, you're right. I mean, I think Hart has done a ton of the. Yeoman's. Work day to day operations. Yeah, the yeoman's work, the recruiting, um, all that kind of stuff. You know, the hitting operation, the recruiting. It's Chris Hart. Yeah, it's Chris Hart and and, you know, Bill Robinson's in there. Clint Chrysler's in there. Yeah. Um, but again, like, it sort of feels like Lee defense, maybe a bit of a figurehead, especially in the off season. Well, I know Chris Hart's mentioned running practices and things like that. Yeah. There's articles out there that have mentioned Chris Hart basically doing all the day to day stuff, much like Justin Gainey was doing at Tennessee. So like, that's not an unheard of practice, especially with more senior assistant coaches. Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, look, do I think that you tell me it was Elliott, even a dictator in the game and like. Well, some might have just taken off the tater. Game day decisions. That was a good joke. That was a good one. Uh. That was it. Took me a second. Yeah. It's all good. It's we're we're we're recording this at almost 1030 at night, so I'll give you a pass. After Tuffy talk after. Yeah, absolutely. Um, I don't know, like, I've heard some stories, like, you know, but again, when when you're the guy in charge getting paid the most on the staff and, you know, the buck stops with you, you you might micromanage a decision or two. Um, I don't think that's I don't think I don't think that's on hold. Was it a decision or two or was it all of them? No. For sure. Yeah. For sure. But like, who was setting the lineup, for example. Yeah, I think that I, I would think Chris Hart had some input in that. Right. Like he's with these guys in the batting cage. He knows how people are feeling. You know he sees their swings. He sees, you know, their mental mental state. I think all of that goes into to that decision making. Um, again, I it sure feels like at times, based on some of the lineups that they rolled out there at times as, as especially for the casual fan. But but for you and I who see every watch, every game, every pitch. Um, it's like, why are we running this guy out here? And he's clearly right. But again, that's kind of Elliot's M.O. to to a fault. Like he trust his guys. Like, remember in 24 when Alex Sosa goes over 31 over 39, whatever that is, as after he comes back from mono, he stuck with him, and then he gets rewarded by that Moonshot and Super regionals. It kind of puts that game out of reach. Like he could have easily pulled the plug on Alex Sosa's year. But again, he had faith in his guys, and I think that's why you are seeing all of these messages after Arvin retires because he had their back. It goes. Yeah, it goes one of two ways. Sherman Johnson to me is a great example of it this year. That was the guy who I was like, hey, like, do you look at, you know, moving somebody around. Like I think he went a month in between extra base hits at one point struggling defensively. Yeah. What are they. What is what do they do. They stick with him. And all of a sudden he's your best player in May. But but you've seen the opposite of that too like Derek Smith last year. The opposite. No doubt. Yeah. No doubt. Like Derek Smith was your rock in 24 to to the College World Series. Like he was your dude. And then I don't know what happened per se. I don't know if it was I mean, I I've heard different things. I've heard it was some injury and I heard he had the yips again. Don't know what of that was true. But he's. No, he's, he's he's on the back of a milk carton. Like where is Derek Smith. And so, you know, there's always been that circle of trust, especially with the pitching staff. Um, you know, either you throw strikes or you don't. And you get a little leeway. And if you don't, you don't. You don't have results. Next man up. You know, and again, right, wrong or indifferent, I think that's just the way he is and the way. And again, he's an old school guy and a new world. Right. And I think you know Chris Hart again only 46. You know, maybe he's got some new new new wave ideas, if you will. Um, you know, you've mentioned it before, uh, like analytics, like how much is analytics going to play in the next, the next chapter of NC state baseball? Um, you know, you've you've definitely had your you definitely had your, your, your thoughts on that topic. But, uh, yeah, I think Elliott will will be remembered for a lot of things. And I and I think number one, he was a winner and that he was a leader on and off the field. Uh, he he is what NC state athletics is. I mean, a guy that grew up, you know, talking about, you know, the 74 team, the 83 team, the Debbie youse of the world, the, um, the k youse of the world, like all of those? Like anyone that's had a history at NC state, he could probably give you a 20 minute lecture on the greats of NC state. Easily, right. The boss. Sometimes that's his press conference. Correct? Yeah. He's definitely. He definitely likes to have Throwback Thursdays every day of the week. Right. Uh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously a great ambassador for the university for the program. So, yeah, um, it's going to be different, you know, not not seeing him, uh, in the dugout. Yeah. Where will he kind of come around, right? Like, obviously. I'm sure he'll come around. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he he I think he definitely wants it to be known that this is Chris Hart's team moving forward. Um. All right, let's spend the last couple of minutes here talking about Chris Hart and then, you know, the last couple of minutes after that, just talking about the off season. And we'll wrap this thing because, you know, we've been going at it. But look and we could keep going. We could keep going on like at some point we have to cut our own mics off and go. All right. That's it. We we gotta close this thing. Layton's going to come in and disconnect us. He's like, I'm gonna. I'm cutting this episode by half. Um, I mean. This could be two episodes. Actually, I might tell him. Yeah, I don't know. We're getting in long form podcasts. Like, obviously we're not Joe Rogan, but it's starting to feel like these long form podcasts. But, um, what do you expect him from Chris Hart? Like, um, first off, you got a five year contract. Uh, paying, I think roughly like $500,000 a year. I think that was the number I saw. Uh, give me your thoughts on initially on the contract. I think I think that's like, were you surprised you got five years as a as a first time head coach? Uh, I don't know. I hadn't really thought about it, to be honest. Yeah. Um, yeah, a little bit, yeah. Especially since, you know, going in like, okay, this is kind of what we're expecting with the continued continuity here. Um, and so could you say, hey, we're going to give you three years or we're going to give you four years because we know what we should expect. And if we're not seeing it, you know, we can cut a little sooner. But yeah, at the same time. You got to be serious with the. I don't know, like no doubt. And the 500 number is low. Um, yeah. Because I think it was right around 1,000,800. Yeah, yeah, I think it. Was like, oh, what's he up to? I don't know. So that was really loud, by the way. I'm sorry it was up, but certainly more. And I think again, for a baseball coach like this is a pretty low number. Like, you know, if you're looking at Florida State, even snarl at Coastal Carolina. Well he's getting ready to get paid going to South Carolina right. Yeah. Yeah that deals done. Yeah. So, um, I you know, I think it makes sense. I mean, the buyout numbers ultimately what matters. But I also think these baseball salaries are probably small enough to where it's not not putting a huge dent in the finances one way or the other. I will say that he has one thing that Avent didn't have when he started and that's better facilities, right? Which is a huge jump. Place to start. Yeah. Yep. A huge jump start to his his tenure at state. Um, what do you think? Again, purely speculative here, but what do you think that, uh, he's going to do differently that Avent or. I'm sorry. Let me rephrase it this way. What are you hoping he does differently? That Avent like things that you would hope that Avent had done? Um, I hope the schedule is much better, I hope. Um, I hope offensively you pick your guys and you stick with them. Uh, I hope they find an identity, whether that's hitting for power or running. Don't try and. Piecemeal. What's the what's the piecemeal like toe. Toe the line, I guess, like pick one or the other. Sure. Pick one. Jump in the pool headfirst. Um. Exactly. Yeah. Um, I to me, I, I look more at pitching wise, like, hey, let's have identities. Let's start our best pitcher. Let's have clear roles. Let's pull pitchers proactively instead of reactively. I can't remember the last time I saw a pitcher pull proactively. Let's pull proactively instead of reactive. We don't talk about that a lot. Three extra hitters. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. We talk about that. Um give guys clean innings. Yeah I'm with you there. Uh, don't, you know, don't need to we don't need Jacob. Dude. In throwing 115 pitches against Lafayette early on in the season, let's five pitchers for five innings for our starters and get them out, especially against bad teams. You know what they can do. So they're not they're not proving bunting. Yeah. No, no. Um less bunting. Um, but again to me most of the stuff is in game. Yeah I. Agree because. I don't see I don't see a ton of stuff outside of the game that's like. I'm with you. Man. This is. This is the problem. Yeah. Like, I think a few tweaks, like, you feel like you have your floor right now and you have a few tweaks, and if you're able to make the right tweaks, all of a sudden you've got a much higher ceiling. Yeah. Do you see this as one of those like Carolina, Georgia Tech, you know, assistant hires where he he could elevate the program pretty quickly. You know, you saw that, you know, at both of those programs. Not that Foxhall was it's not a bad coach. It's funny you see. Yeah. You and C falls into that category. But yeah. And I'm I'm the one who threw Georgia Tech out there and said, hey, maybe you can turn into them. Coastal is another option. Chanel was an internal promotion. Yeah. Um. But there's already things in place, right? I think I think you, I think state kind of has those things too, that are already kind of in place, right? Like, like like the structure is there. Yeah. Like like you're not having to reinvent the wheel. Just looking for. Right. And that's why you're just looking for a couple of tweaks and you're not looking to reinvent the wheel. But for example, unk to me is the best example, right? Let's use their RPI. So 2019. They were 12th in RPI 2021. They were 46 2022. They were 11th 2023. They were 33rd, I believe. Forbes took over in 2024. I actually should double check that before I read. Sounds about right. 2324 somewhere in there? Yeah. Oh, that's not the Scott Forbes I'm looking for. Uh. Let's see. Okay. Uh. Took over. Okay, so he took over in 2021. So he was. It did take him a little longer, um, to get going, but, yeah, I do think they can. It can be that sort of. Okay, let's elevate what we have here. Uh, absolutely. What has to happen in order for that to happen for you, though? Like. Like are we like, for me, it's like, are we serious? Right. And when I say we're serious, obviously we've we've made the improvements to doke. Like I still think you could do more. But again, how much do you want to invest. Well they've they've done what they've done. I mean they've done it for I'm sure at least ten years or so here. Yeah, well, if you were going to redo it, it had to be a new ballpark, but. Well, that was on the table at one point. Yeah. But, uh, to, to me, um, and the, uh, the other thing, um, like, it's hard because I, I don't know that Savior's recruited at the same level. Like, when's the last time state had a first round pick? Like, it felt like the entire 20 tens. They had a first round pick on their roster. Yeah, but that was just like. I mean, you were hitting it. I mean, you were hitting on all cylinders. You were 100%. But now those. Guys, you had some guys. That you had Tommy. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah. Tommy White. You had Tommy White. Yeah. You know, you had Cannon Peebles, who was on the path to becoming a first round pick when he was here. But then obviously he didn't carry over at Tennessee. So and you've had guys like, you know Geno Groover was up there. Yeah. You had two back to your back to back years. You had a number of those are 49. Yeah 4949. Whatever it was. Um and you're pitching recruiting has has certainly been. Yeah. And you've had some guys that not make it to campus that were really highly touted to you know, but that program has. Yeah, that's part of it. Yeah. Yeah, 100%. All right. So I, I again I think state's in a really good position. I think that Chris Hart is the man for the job. I, I have full confidence in that. You know it is weird that because it's a non-revenue sport and I know it kind of happened during the season, but there really was like not a press conference. It was just a couple of words, um, like a quick, like five minute art. Yeah. Five minute media. Bill. I'm pretty sure there will be a press conference. I would assume I would assume at some point. Uh, I think there is. Yeah, probably next week. Probably. I mean, your season just ended. Correct. Um, and I know they're going through all their exit interviews and all of that. Um, guys are starting to enter the portal. So that leads us, right. Is Elliot even on the beach yet? Dude, I don't know, but his wife, Krista, probably. If she's probably, like, making him go to the beach, like like, let's let's live our last, you know, 20, 30 years out and just have our best time, right? Um, what what beach is it? Uh. I'm I go topsail. Like, where are you? What are you feeling? Oh, man. It's retirement. You gotta go bigger. You gotta go bigger than that. You definitely not going to the Dirty Myrtle? No. Well, I meant bigger than tops that, like, better than tops. Oh, um, Myrtle is worse. Yeah, it's 100%. I would think it's like I would think of, like, overseas, like. Oh, you want to go right there? Yeah. So like. Bora Bora. Bro. I lowkey like like, Spain's got some nice beaches. Greece's got some good beaches. Yeah, Turkey's got some decent beaches. Um, I've been to all of those beaches. Um, yeah, Spain's got a mocha. Coast is the best place I've ever been. Oh, yeah, I haven't been there, but I've definitely seen it on on on video. But yeah you're right. They're going to they're going to be taking some trips. You're 100%. Um. All right, let's, uh, let's get back to the last couple of minutes here. What does state have to do? Uh, Obviously, um, you know, going through the portal go or going through the roster, there's going to be changes. There always is. You're going to have guys, uh, test the draft waters. Um, you know, a lot of guys are going to get drafted off this team. Um, what do you like going through the roster? Obviously you've got like, 5 or 6 guys, and Dalton Vargo. Danny. Um, Heintz. Uh, Braden Freeman. Um, I think there's like, two more guys that are out of eligibility. And you want to just run down the. Road. Yeah, please. Yeah, that's actually a better idea. Thank you. My brain's not working. All right, well, and we got to keep it quick because a lot of guys on the roster. Luke Nixon. Yeah, he's. Going to draft for sure. Draft Rhett Johnson. He'll be back in college. Yeah. Um, and the hope is state. But, uh, he had a really good year, though. The last couple of weeks, he became more human. Um, you know, I don't know if that's because teams just kind of figured them out a little bit. Um, you know, you kind of hit that freshman wall well, playing a lot more ball game. But also when you, when you just, you know, like he was running like a 500 batting average on balls in play. Yeah. And so, you know, anything over 400 is high. And even with him like you're expecting it to be high. Yeah I. Mean. They played him. Yeah I think yeah. That and people they, they play you a little differently right. They, you know, you have your tendencies by the last part of the season where you can kind of play guys up, you know, the scouting reports out there. People watch film. Like they they can figure out. But now now comes the chess match, right? Can he can he take his game to the next level? Can he put more balls in the air? You know, get more gaffers. Um, you know, um, you know, just kind of kind of elevate his game a little bit. Mikey. Ryan. Uh, definitely back. Already confirmed. Cristian Serrano uh, I would assume 100% back. Um, but then comes the question. Where do you play him? Obviously, Mikey Ryan's got a short lock down. I would say third as well. Sherman Johnson I think the draft is calling. In fact, he got invited the, uh, to the, uh, combine. So when you normally when you get invited to come. He did. He did. Uh, normally when you get invited. That's good for him. Yeah. Uh, again, to me, like, I don't want to say an afterthought coming in, but not a guy like you had Wyatt Pifer. You had Mikey Ryan coming in, and then you added Sherman Johnson after that. Yeah, well, the question became. Then he had a slow start. Yeah. The question because he again, you just didn't have you just didn't know a lot about him. His freshman year at Dallas Baptist was cut short pretty early. Um he goes to JuCo route got got uh uh recruited in and committed to Arkansas and then ended up in state's lap. That was that was a huge one for NC state. That was a huge, huge pull. Yeah. He's a he's a no doubt draft. I actually think he may be the second draft guy behind Ty Head. Yeah I it was funny. He's had some real helium down the stretch. Yeah it was funny that the after the the the Saturday Carolina game I saw him after the game and I said, dude, I hope. I hope you're here, but I hope you're not here. And he just kind of laughed. Um, but yeah, I think he's he's going to be a draft guy. All right. Dalton Bargo graduates. Brayden Freeman graduates. Ryder. Guarino. Yeah, he'll be back. Yeah. True, man. I've got a lot of Ryder. Guarino. Stock. Just so you know. Me too. And he's a guy that I. He showed a lot of flashes. Um, he was kind of slow. They kind of brought him along slow. Having dealt with the off season illness. Uh, I think I think he's going to get stronger. And I think some of it, you know, again, um, and I, I know these guys are stretched out and everything, but he might have been a guy that hit a wall. Um, I think if he kind of gets back to some of his weight. Because that's the problem, too. Like when you're in the middle of the season, you're not putting on weight. You know, it's it's you got to eat like 12,000 calories just to maintain. Um, he's a guy. I think if you get him some offseason, um, workouts, I think he can come back and then even add a little bit more velo to his. But yeah, I'm with you. Sorry, that was a little long winded, but I'm high on Guarino as well. True, Emmanuel. I mean, he'll be back in college. I don't know if it's at state. Like somebody I don't want to. I don't want to speculate about these guys. You know, going to the portal or not. Yeah. Um, no, I will. As we're going through this, I will say like, he could be, uh, you know, Preston Bond is a guy. Um, I mean, again, love the kid, love his family. He just feels like maybe a portal guy. Um, just, you know, he had that really good weekend. Dream catcher in year two is tough. Yeah, well, yeah. And it just felt like, you know, DiCarlo was getting more reps at the end of the season. Right. And again yeah. But again this is a new staff. And so I honestly don't know what to think because now I think you have a new head coach. Yeah I think he's kind of like when Gagne came on board. And look, I'm not comparing any of these guys about what I'm about to say to Paul McNeill because. But you have to recruit these guys, right? Every year. It doesn't matter if you have a new coach or not, you have to recruit these guys. Would you agree with that? Yeah. No doubt. Quin Bentley yeah, he's a guy that hasn't got a lot of play. Um, so that's a really hard one. He played. At all. I don't think he, uh. I feel like he had was like a replacement in one of those, like, Lafayette games or something. Like. Was he? Yeah, I feel like it. Let me see if I can, but keep. Going. Andrew Wiggins yeah, I think he's a draft guy. Ty head 100% a draft guy. Drew Lanphier. Yeah. Hold on real quick. I mean, so people, you know. Yes. Ty head is only a sophomore, and you typically, you know, you see that from your juniors, but the way they reclassify and and do um, almost like a. If you're 21 at the time of the draft. At the 21. Yeah. That was the other piece I was going to give to that. But yes. Uh, so yes, he'll be a draft guy. Um, I'm sorry, what was the name? I didn't mean to cut you off. No. You're good. Johnson's also on that list. Next year. Next year? Yes. And so, uh, Serrano was going to be, but now he's not. But he enrolled. Her. Correct? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, but what you got for the next name? Lanphier. Uh, well, before we recorded this, uh, I told you he has one more year. Technically. Um. Uh, that surprised me. Yeah. Um, you know, he was one of those guys that had left and then came back after Sosa, um, had transferred, I think. Lanphier. It feels like they probably are going to want to use Preston bond or DiCarlo going into next season. Um, and then if they wanted to bring Lanphier back, I think they would probably have to, like, let them know that, hey, these are our intentions and don't, you know, give them any false positives or false hopes. Um, and if he's good with that, then, yeah. You bring him back. Collins. Back? Yeah. That. This one's a tough one for me. I Like they had a lot of high hopes. Yeah. You know, the the thought was he was going to be the closer. Um, just kind of just didn't really settle into that role. Didn't really find him a role. By the end of the year, he really wasn't being used. It wouldn't surprise me if he transferred. What are you. What are your thoughts? Yeah, I agree. I mean, he was pretty much not pitching by the end of the year. Yeah. So, um. You know, and next year's his draft year. So he probably would want to go somewhere that he's going to be used if he's not going to be used at state. Yeah. Sam Harris. Yeah. I, uh, from everything I've heard, he'll be back. Um. Really good. Solid year. He was. Doesn't suck. We have to go down. Doesn't it suck? We got to go down. Literally every name here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah, ten years ago, this wasn't. I'm sorry, Sam, I didn't mean to cut off Sam. So. No, Sam had a really good middle of the year. He was really good. Another one of those guys. I mean, Virginia. I think he had a good freshman year. 100%. Like. 100%. But in his blow ups really wasn't his fault. They left him in too damn long. I mean, like, you could really say this about a lot of the pitchers on this staff. Like. Like it just felt again. Again. We're doing this at the end of the season. We saw how the games played out, but it just it just feels like it's the same M.O. on on these pictures. Wyatt Pifer graduates Heath Andrews. He's another one that can come back technically. Um, I think he moves on to the draft. Um, he's he's running out of leverage. Um, you know, you saw you saw a guy like. Like like Sam Highfield. He's got enough pedigree. He does. You saw a guy like Sam also kind of had to come back because of injuries and kind of proved that he was healthy. And, you know, he now he's having to fight his way up through the Phillies organization. So it would be wise for he to to go the draft route now. Ryan Marone. 100% draft. Yeah I mean he and dude Hemric. Uh Luke Hemric I have no doubt. Local kid out of apex. Um, yeah, I think 100%. We'll be back. And we can talk more about these draft guys as we get closer to. Yeah. There's a lot there's a lot of guys. I think it's like 7 or 8 guys who are gonna gonna be, uh, signing Vincent DeCarlo. Uh, yeah, I think he's back. Um, I mean, I'm not. I'm. I'm giving my feedback, like, are you pushing back on any of these guys? I know you're you're the scoop guy. No, I'm not scooping, I don't scoop. I, I. Agree with pretty much everybody you've said at this point. Yeah. Um, I like again, you just kind of never know what those guys who weren't really playing a ton at the end of the year. And again, you never really know. Well, here's the other thing. Like like like, eh, Rhett Johnson, he's from Youngsville, right? Is it young? Youngsville. Youngsville, right. I think that's how you say it. Yeah, yeah, he's a local kid, but he's got a lot of, like, a lot of talent. Like, it's. It wouldn't be unfathomable for an SEC team to come throw a bag at him. And again, if he choses that route, I'm not. At the same time. No, but at the same time, did he have those options coming in. He was recruited by SEC schools. He was recruited by Arkansas and Vandy. I mean, yeah, he definitely visited those schools. I mean, it wouldn't be. It wouldn't be. It would it wouldn't shock me what I'm saying, right. Like. Yeah. And again, I mean, we don't know, like what these kids are looking for or whatever. Like, I'm just saying in the general things, it it would not surprise me if an SEC team came calling for it. I mean, would it surprise you? Um. I mean, you're thinking about calling. Yeah. I'm thinking about I. I don't know that Rhett Johnson is like the. Oh, man, we gotta throw the bag at this guy. Well, when I say a bag, I mean, it's just. I mean, SEC has money, right? And like. I. Rather. You know, when, when we, we completely glossed over the money aspect of Chris Hart. One thing to change, which is the number one thing, the use of nil. Please, please. Yeah, we completely glossed over that when we were talking about that. I did, but I didn't, and I and then I kind of said I, I kind of put the, the assumption in there and I kind of lumped it in there without saying it. I was like, are we saying how serious are we? Right. And when I say resources, that's everything. The facilities, money. Um, yeah. You know, it's kind of umbrella, but yes, I don't know. Are we fully funding? I would like a big article came out today about like, big 12 teams, uh, funding. Funding baseball. Like, uh, they were talking about, like, the Arizona states and the Texas, Texas and the Oklahoma states and like, how much how many scholarships you can fully fund. 30 scholarships now, like, how many are we funding? Back in the day, it was 11.7. What's our number? Right. I mean, I, I, I don't know. Yeah. I mean as far as I know, but. That's a big but that's a big thing though. 30. 35? Yeah it is. Yeah, it's a lot of money. But I also think like if if you were just saying, no, we're not interested in nil with LA, then does that change? I think the answer is yes. And that's my number one list of what. I'll push back. To you. I would want this to change. So the year after Omaha in 21, they had a like a like a savage Wolves you know football celebration the basketball celebration. Those teams do it. We did it once the last two years we've not done any kind of nil fundraising for baseball. So again, to my point, are you serious about baseball as a as a program? Yeah. I don't know. All right. We got off track there. Mitchell's already in the portal, but it was important that we needed to bring that up. Probably deserves more time to be 100%. Does, uh, Devin Mitchell's already in the portal. Danny Hines graduates. Chris McHugh. Yeah. So he's a he's a he's he's he he also got invited to the combine uh, for MLB and, um, it all. It sounds like he he will go through the draft. He'll definitely go through the draft process. I think we can both agree he'll get drafted. Um, I, I've heard that, you know, there is a a small window for, for a return, but things would have to really fall apart for that to happen. And I'll just make the case for why Chris McHugh would return. Um, disappointing. Junior year. Not great in ACC play. Um, junior itis, you know, is is a real thing. Well, I. Think teams pitched him differently too. Like. Yeah, yeah. But to me, the other the other case would be, you know, if big league teams are really down on his bat, you know, the opportunity to come back and sort of prove yourself. Yeah. To me the other thing I would say is defensive positioning. Like if he can come back and say, hey, I can play the outfield. Maybe left field opens up now, right? But maybe you go maybe. Go get should yeah I, would have had him out there this year and had Rhett Johnston. Right. But, um, I think that would be the case too. But at the same time, guys, who are you? Just don't see the juniors come back. You just don't see it. Now, to me, the the with all of these guys, if the five for five year gets approved and now all these guys have an extra year of leverage if you're grandfathered in. That's the scenario where Chris McHugh I would expect Chris McHugh back actually in that scenario. Yeah, yeah. But yeah I think he's gone though. Um, just everything that I've heard and he, he has so much like potential. Um, like how much instruction are you getting here. Right. And that's the other thing we haven't talked about the, the, the, the advantages of going pro by staying in school. Um, you can literally just take off in your craft and do nothing but baseball and get good instruction and get coached up. Right. There's. And you get paid and. You get paid. Yeah, exactly. You know, you're you're payday. Your junior year is much bigger than you're paid. 100%. Your senior year, even if you have a better senior. Yeah. And for those that again, I don't want to spend a lot of time, but you know, we're we're trying to grow the game here by having this podcast. Even though we've talked a little smack about the casual fan. But you know, for those that don't really understand how baseball works is typically we laid out what it is. But your best year to go pro is your junior year, where you hold leverage over the club that's drafting you. Um, you lose that leverage once you once you run out of options for eligibility, because now they can just offer you a bag of baseballs and you take it because you want to be an alternative. Correct. So anyway, keep moving. I'm sorry. Cooper. Consiglio. Yeah. Draft. Uh, Julian is already in the portal. Mikey. Ragusa. Yeah. Again, I, I mentioned Mikey earlier. I thought he did some really good things. Um, was put in some high leverage situations. I thought he should have been used more personally. Um, showed a lot of promise, but, uh, I expect him back. Um, everything I hear, he he loves it at state. I think out of the guys that we've talked about, like who could make the biggest leap. Mikey Ragusa is probably 100%. 100%. I mean, like, I, you know, we don't have the hot take banner in the background, but he's a guy I can see being. We can. Get one. Yeah, he's a guy I could see being a closer next year. Oh I can see him being a starter. Yeah I again I. Maybe it's a year too early. Yeah, maybe. But again I think we'll come around. We'll come around to, to that part because I think that's a, that's a good, good piece. But keep going. We'll pin that one for a second. Caden Morris I hope he's back I, I love Caden. Um, he's been through a lot of injury issues. Just really, really, really bad freaking luck, man. Like, he's a big dude. Like, I think he can be. I think he can be a guy. I think he's a guy. If he does stick around at state that there won't be a lot expected from him just because of the injury history. Um, yeah, I hope he gets. A chance at state. I mean, he's a state guy through and through both of his parents graduated from state. I personally, on a personal level, I hope he stays. And again, I try to keep my my personal feelings of these of these kids out of the conversation. But he's definitely one that I'm rooting for. Anderson. Nance. Yeah, everything sounds like he's back. Um, I've heard from multiple sources that he'll be back. Um, and again, if we're tabling starting rotation, um, we'll circle back to Anderson Nance's name when we have that conversation. If anybody other than Anderson Nance's name, if anybody other than Anderson answers the first pitch of the season. Yeah. What are we doing? I'm going to be an unhappy camper. Yeah. Uh, Jacob Smith. Yeah. Another kid, two, two, two way kid. Football came in, you know, football and, uh, had Tommy John surgery. Um, I wouldn't expect, uh, I expect him back, number one. Um, I just don't know how much you expect from him just coming, like, right around the season, you know, starts. He'll be kind of getting back into being cleared, if you will. Like he'll be right around that 12 months. Do we know when his surgery was? It was the very beginning of the season. I want to say it was, um, I mean, I can go back in through my message. Do we know if it was internal brace or the full TJ? I, I believe it was the brace. I, uh, so if it was the brace, he'll be back faster. I want to say it was the brace. I mean if it was full TJ he's going to be out for next season two. Yeah yeah most likely I think it was the brace I, I can I. Mean even the brace would be. Tough. It is because I think the brace is like eight nine months. So that would be right around baseball season getting started. But yeah I think it's like uh I don't know. Everyone's different. You know, I mean everyone comes back from injuries different. But I think it's like nine months. But anyway, we keep moving. Jacob Dutton. 100% gone. Aiden Catchings. Uh, he's an interesting one, right? He. He got some play early on the season. Kind of had some times and moments where, you know, strike zone was a little bit of an issue. He has good stuff when, when when he's throwing it. Um, I don't know. I'm kind of a 5050 on him. I don't, I don't, I don't know. I don't know. What do you think that this was when I was going through my list. This one. This was the one I, I, I couldn't make it. I would throw him in the Collins Black category where it's like, man, when you start out with big expectations and you're throwing big innings early on and then yeah, as the season goes on, it just kind of goes like that. Yeah, those are tough. Yeah. But again. Especially guys like like that's a draft guy next year. Yeah. Just like Collins Black. Like correct. You've got big stuff. You've got to go somewhere. You gotta sell it that you can get real innings. Yeah, yeah. Yeah I don't know. But again like like I'll preface this. This is a new staff right. Again, even though there'll be a lot of holdovers different, different thought processes. Um, yeah I so when I say what I say, I want to keep prefacing. Like I don't know what the new staff thinks. Brandon Novi I it sure feels like he's, he's he's a prime candidate for for a transfer. Um, again just. Yeah. I agree. Not a not a lot of opportunity. Um, he was kind of one of those guys. Feast or famine? Uh, you know, he it sure felt like either a home run or or or a strike out. Again, I don't know what a strikeout rate was, but it it felt pretty strong. Um, like the kid, local kid out of Holly Springs, but I, I don't know again, I here's, here's the one thing that I will say. You're losing a lot of guys as you as you've gone through this. So 31% strikeout rate. Yeah, I, I was thinking it was probably upper 20s, but, um, I don't know. Can you cut that down? Um, is he, you know, is he a guy that might be better, you know, dropping down, you know, to a mid-major, Um, does? Does the team still value them? I just don't know those things. But it does feel like he could be a candidate for the transfer portal last. I agree with you on Novi. Uh, Tristan Potts. He's a lefty, right? He is a lefty. Yeah. Um. So you saw you saw that lefty specialty, um, thing, right? I think they're always good to have. Lefties are always good to have in your back pocket for for a rainy day. Um, and, uh, again, like, does he is he okay being a lefty specialist? Um, does he want more play? I again, I don't know those answers, but again, he feels like he could 100% be a, um, a transfer portal candidate just because of his low usage rate. I agree, I actually kind of like some of the stuff he did, but it's just there's 1111 and two, 11 and two thirds innings in two seasons. I mean, yeah, how can you be mad at a guy like that for leaving? Yeah, 100%. These guys. Just one opportunity. Um, you know, you saw that with Eli Pillsbury this year at Jack state. You had a really good year. Oh, really good year. Um, Jackson Lucas had some did some nice things at Liberty. Again. Those were guys that you had. Eli Pillsbury was a sore spot. Yeah. I'm with you. Uh, Camden Wimbush had a nice season at Campbell. Um, and again, uh, it was pretty good. I mean, yeah, it was, I think it was I remembering correctly again, I, I read a lot of stuff, so sometimes I get people confused. Uh, I'm surprised he was. He started seven games for them. That's surprising. I did not think he profiled as a starter, 25% strikeout rate, 7% walk rate, five six, one ERA in 51 and a third innings. I would guess he'll get drafted. Actually, yeah, he can 100%. Draft because I know his stuff trades out very well. Yeah. Those strikeout numbers. Yeah, yeah. Um, I mean we could have used I mean again, those guys that I just named could have been eating or eating up innings for you this year. Um, and again, if you don't get. At the same time you didn't use them. They didn't get thrown a ton when they were here. And so you can't blame them for moving on 100%. And again, if you if you manage your, your your pitchers again, to your point earlier about doing them around, if you develop your guys and you can sustain some injuries again when you lead, when you lose dude in maroon, that's completely different. But again, you you have a plan. Like to your point. Like have a plan. You have to have a contingency plan. And at times it just felt like state did not have that. And you can't keep all these guys happy. It's not to say, oh, you just give everybody 20 innings. It's one. Baseball. No, that's not how it works. Yes. Right. It's one baseball. Yeah. But you know and that's the hard thing is you gotta you gotta throw the right guys. And now more than ever, it's easy to say, hey, you're playing the right guys or you're not playing the right guys. I can go and look at what Jack Gilliam did at Utah this year and be like, man, why didn't they play him? He's in the portal. I can go and look. Yeah. It's going to end up at a nice spot. He will. He had a nice little season. He had a really good year at Utah. He did? Yeah, yeah. So it's easy for us. That's. That's why we're here, right? That's why we get paid the big bucks to Monday morning quarterback. It. And that's you know it's hard. That's why when you're in the present and it's like, man why are you doing this. You know. Yeah. Well again, that's why they get paid more money than we get paid to analyze it. Right? So they do. They, you know, and they're held accountable for their results. Thankful that we're not really. I mean, someone will hold us accountable, but, um, hopefully people have enjoyed this almost two hour breakdown of the Pac nine season. And what do you think, two episodes. I mean, I don't know. I mean, we probably will lose people in the first ten minutes, so it really doesn't matter. No, this has been fun. This has been fun. In our 127th minute here. Yeah. No, this was 107. I can't even do math. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No. I'm glad. Hey, I told you before. This was one of the something you and I could do. Uh, have a lot of fun talking. Yeah, through it together and, uh, previewing the off season, seeing what it looked like in the next month, six weeks as we see state build this roster. Like, you got a lot of holes to fill. I think you got a shortstop. I think you got a center fielder. I think you got a Friday night starter. And other than that, you got a whole lot of questions. You got some options and some pieces. So. So you got a whole lot of questions. If the season were to start today, I know we don't have enough position players and all of that, but just from a pitching perspective. You're at third. I've got I've got right field. Yeah. Nobody I got eligibility but nobody wants these knees. Um, so I think you have a catcher like with DiCarlo. I think you can build around him. Um, uh, you know, it was kind of a look over. I saw a little head twitch. Yeah, I wouldn't be. I think you got to go portal there. Okay. Again. And I'm okay with over recruiting, over people. If you're if you if you're getting good value. Right. Um. Are you recruiting over. You're just giving competition. I mean, how many how many plate appearances do you think DiCarlo had this year? Uh, probably 1541. Wow. That many who wasn't even close. He had less than Ovi, less than Serrano, less than Pifer. Less than Novi. Novi had more than 41. Yeah, he had a 51. Oh, geez. Um, I don't know. I like the way DiCarlo. Like, he looks like a good catcher. I mean, I did the dumbest thing. Like, he looks the part, right? I guess, like, he's built. Like he's built like a catcher. Um, did some nice things. Um, yeah, I I I'm with you, though. Competition. I, I don't want to just hand him the job whether whether it's him and Preston Bond. You bring in a portal guy if Lanphier sticks around. Whatever. Um. I'm not. I'm not about giving. Uh, unless you're tie head or some of the guys like there. There was plenty of guys that were replaceable on this team. And I'm not just about giving positions and spots to guys just because they were here the previous year. Um, but anyway, real quick, I want to I want to wrap on this note. If you if you were to add no more pitchers that are better than what you have on your roster, so same or whatever, would you be comfortable rolling. Nance Ragusa and Hemric out next weekend as your or sorry next year as your weekend. Now you want to add you want to add more. No. Yeah I mean Nance for sure. Yeah. Um I think if you have Hemric and Ragusa and you'll probably have an impact freshman somewhere. Excuse me. Um, I would be looking to push them down. Two spots. I would want Henrico Ragusa as my weak midweek guy. Maybe you could get away with one of them on Sunday. You'd like to get weekend. You really? You like to give weekend positions to to to more senior guys? Is that is that where you're leaning this because. No, I. Just. I just don't think we saw enough. Yeah. I didn't think Hemric did well enough in ACC play to say you're definitely a weekend starter. Um, so on the year, Hemric ended up at a 5.89 ERA and Ragusa threw like six innings. Yeah, he didn't throw enough. So you know yeah I, I can believe in him as a starter. But I don't know that I can bank on that. I mean Hemric and ACC play had a 1026 ERA in 16 and two thirds innings, ten walks, 12 strikeouts, 21 hits. I just I. Yeah he was. But again he was forced into that. Like who else were you going to throw out there. He he was no doubt. No doubt. And you know it's a year early. Yeah. Right. And so could could Luke Hemric come back next Next spring and say, look, look at me. I'm the best option for the Sunday spot. Yeah, absolutely. But do I want to be counting on that? Not. Not really. I mean, you make fair points. All right. Let's wrap this thing. Um, I we would definitely. Wolfpack nation will definitely be doing some more of these especially, you know, as the transfer portal gets going. Um, I, I, I know Ethan is just foaming at the mouth waiting to start seeing some incoming players so he can start breaking down stats and war and and all of his, all of his fancy WRC plus. Am I the only one who knows what WRC plus is? It's wins over something. Weighted runs created. Plus. Okay. Yep. Not even close. The reason I like it, the reason I like it, is because it's on a scale of 100. And so yeah, 100 is league average. And so a 101 is 1% above league average okay. 102 is 2%. So on and so forth. That's kind of why I like it because it shows you relative to like what other people are doing. Yeah, we we need to like, hang out one weekend and we can just like, you can make me a stats nerd just like you. Um, I, I honestly, I love it. I, I love all aspects of baseball and, um, that's, you know, these things that you, you know, all these stats that they use now, like this wasn't a thing 20, 25 years ago, like, now that they, they've applied. Five, ten years ago. Yeah. I mean, true story. Um, but anyway. All right, let's wrap it, buddy. Let's wrap it. Well, one thing I want to throw out before we, uh, um, finish, we're going to be throwing as much scoop as we can over in the Patreon. Yeah, yeah. Um, so keep an eye on that. Uh, right now, that is for all of our free members. Uh, at some point, it'll move to just paid members, but for now, it is free. Um, we want to get you hooked first before we start charging you for it. Right, right. We don't want to compete. We're not competing with IPS. We're not competing with PAC pride. It's just, uh, our old packer. Those guys do good work. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. No, no. It's, uh. No, um. But, you know, just things. Things that were here, they may be. They may end up true. They may not end up true. But we've got some stuff over there. We've got some coaching stuff over there. Yeah, yeah, we didn't even we didn't even talk about hard stuff, but that'll be coming out. We're hearing a few things, but, you know, I don't think it's time to necessarily drop those names. But if you're on our Patreon, we did drop a couple of nuggets in there. So maybe that's our hook to not talk about it here and get you guys over to the to the Patreon. But, uh, now this has been fun, man. I, I look forward to doing this more often. I think, uh, again, um, there's plenty of good content out there, uh, for all NC state. I think we're just coming out of a a little different of an angle, a little different perspective. There's there's room for all of us at the table, but, uh, this has been fun, man.