KaTron Evans Is Eligible... Until August 24 - Tuffy Talk Live

NC State spent two weeks being told its defensive line was the scariest thing on the roster. Then a federal judge handed the Wolfpack its nose guard back, nineteen days before kickoff.

KaTron Evans is eligible and practicing. The NCAA denied his waiver, denied his appeal, and had him off the roster on July 28, one day before camp opened. He went to federal court and won a temporary restraining order. The catch: a TRO is temporary by definition, and there is another hearing on August 18.

Greg and I get into what Evans actually fixes on a defensive line that was leaning on a guy with 96 career snaps, Justin Gainey landing a kid NC State offered while he was completely unranked, Micah Handlogten and the portal-timing loophole, why nobody can stop Will Wilson on fourth down, and the tenth straight year NC State has put a player on the Freaks List.

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How The TRO Happened

SPEAKER_01 1:31

We are NC State fans for now? No, forever. Forever. Yeah, no, forever. So with that being said, though, Greg, let's jump into that here first. So the big news coming out today, uh Catron Evans uh defensive tackle uh transferring uh is was originally ruled uh uh ineligible after uh putting in his application for a fifth year. Uh but after the appeal was denied. And then the appeal was denied, right? Yeah. And then and then finally, the and because because for for those that aren't aware, Greg, so basically like did he go sue the Supreme Court or or you know what not yet. Not yet. Well, but also too, as well, it really stood out with this case, the fact that NC State University itself actually backed Evans uh with his legal proceedings here, too, as well. So, which said a lot in terms of obviously the fact that NC State was confident enough in his case to actually spend the resources to back him, but also too, as well. I mean, it says a lot about him and the potential impact he could have on this season, the fact that NC State was willing to invest the resources to to back him as well.

SPEAKER_03 2:47

Absolutely. Yeah, there was a really good article in the news and observer today by uh Jaden Jaden Watson Fisher. She did a really nice write-up on what's kind of been going on and a little bit of the timeline. But uh, yeah, not only was State confident, but his previous school in Marshall was confident

Why Marshall AND NC State Backed Him

SPEAKER_03 3:03

too in Tony Gibson. Um fact he was the one that kind of just reached out to Coach Dorn and said, Hey, I got a guy that I think can help your program, which again in and that fact's pretty cool, right? Um and then so yeah, Marshall and State thought, okay, this is kind of a no-brainer. Kid lost a whole year due to some personal issues. Um, which, you know, again, reading the article, I'm I won't, you know, dissect the whole article here, but like, yeah, homeboy went through some stuff. And uh, you know, it's a it's a it's a credit to himself and and his moral high high character that he was able to kind of pull him pull himself through, right? You know, kind of picked himself up by his own bootstraps. And um, you know, really I don't I don't I don't think the the term turned his life around or turned his situation around, but I mean he's a guy that's come in, done everything, worked hard. Um and and Coach Dorn really laid it out like, you know, this this kid, this kid is is relying on some of this NIL to take care of his own family, right? And again, that's kind of what the NIL was was put in place for. And that, you know, he's got potentially some NFL aspirations and you know, not be able to play for a year. And and so the article is really laid laid out really well. And again, I encourage people to go read the article, but like it just it just seems that make it make sense in CAA, like and this is the reason why like we talked about it before, why now they have the five and five. There'll be no more ambiguity, it'll be clearly laid out. But it's again reading the article, it just makes sense. Like, just give the kid his year, like like he literally lost a whole year and then came back, graduated from Marshall. So he's a grad student, it's not like some guy barely hanging on with a 1.0 GPA, you know, taking basket weaving 101. Like, this kid has got his degree. Um, and and so like give him his give him his fifth year, like it just it just makes sense. Yeah, sorry. That should have been my grind my gear.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

It should or it could have easily for sure. Well, but because you're my here's my other thing, too, as well, is like you know, you said you know, taking you know personal leave of absence. I mean, like his his again won't necessarily break down the full family tragedy, but he was dealing with some tragedy within his family, a lot of stuff within his family.

SPEAKER_03 5:15

He's at his age, right? Like, he's not like a 40-year-old man, like this is a guy that's still developing in his life, still trying to figure things out, went through a heavy, heavy load of stuff. Yeah, so it just it it yeah, when you when because see, I think the point again, now I'm really on my grind my gears because you know, not knowing the full story, right? Like you I heard a couple of

The NCAA Is Losing On Purpose

SPEAKER_03 5:37

things here and there, but like the again, this article really laid everything out. Like NCA, like, do right by this kid or young man. Um, I always call you know kids in college, you know, kids, but yeah, like it just if there was ever a case, and again, I felt like I'm gonna give you the AI summary of this article, but like there's been instances like this before in the NCAA where where the guy's got a guy or a gal has gotten their their year of eligibility back. Like again, I think that's what everyone's frustration has been through this whole process of the transfer portal and and and years of eligibility with the COVID now the fifth year. Like the NCAA had an opportunity to just say, you know what, uh this is our cutoff 2022. You'll be included because this is when we're starting up the thing. Normally you see people grandfathered into these things, but uh it it feels like this was an argument. Like I think this is just part of the argument. And again, we'll get into tweets of the week and and and hopefully we cover it in the tweets of the week because I know I pulled a couple of tweets about it. But this is the whole reasoning I think the NCA is trying to get the Congress involved in the Save College Sports Act. I think they're looking for losses so they can go and basically you know be martyrs and go, this is why we need legislation, right? And I think they're I think they're picking their fights in the wrong places and punishing kids that don't deserve to be punished.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Correct. Yeah, no, just like you said, I mean again, it it's you know, at the end of the day, it's not somebody asking for like an injury red shirt year and actually asking for a sixth year um, you know, due to something like this. Like, like it's it's simply he's asking for what has become basically a standard, which is a fifth year uh and due to something that again, like you know, he went through a lot of personal tragedy. So just like we said, just do the right thing, uh, you know, and and and let's move on here. Like, just like you said, this should have been easy, just swipe across the desk, look at for 30 seconds. Okay, sounds good, you know. Like, like what what point what point are you trying to make NCAA is really the question here. Like, like what why I would have loved to hear the NCAA's justification for this, you know what I mean? Like I I don't know. Just just well, I think why is everything gonna be difficult?

SPEAKER_03 7:53

Yeah, I think part of it too is they want to they want these things to go to court so they can quote unquote lose. And again, like to the point I was making, just show hey, this isn't another example why we need this legislation. Hey, this look, hey, every time we go to court, we get our asses handed to us. Like well, yeah, because you're because your governing body sucks. That's that's why you keep losing, because you have no you have no consistency, no, no, no continuity. And it's just it's it's it's a it's a mess, man. And so the NCAA dug themselves into this hole. But again, I think some of it, I think they wanted to punt. I think the NCA doesn't want to be quote unquote the bad guy. I think they're tired of like getting their butts handed to them, and and now they just want somebody else to to kind of be the fall guy, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

But again, I mean, and because I think we talked about this a while ago, Greg, but you know, is this kind of period that we've that we're in over these last like two or three years with NIL, the transfer portal, uh, the eligibility question, things like that. Like, is this as crazy as the NCAA can it can and is going to get? Like, are we going like we're in this crazy spiral right now of just all this stuff that the NCAA is going on right now? Like, are we eventually gonna kind of calm this thing down over the next five years?

SPEAKER_03 9:11

I I feel like it has to, right? I think at this point it's coming to a head. It's coming to a head right now, right? And and kind of when all this stuff happened back in 2020, 2021, maybe even into 2022, when they just opened Pandora's box and they didn't put any governance, they didn't put any really rules or restrictions, and it became the Wa Wa West. And again, we've said that before on this program. And I think between the five and five, and hopefully if Congress, that's a big if, can get something passed where you know we know that Democrats and Republicans can't even come together on daylight savings time. Like, how are they gonna come together on an NCA thing? Um, and it's crazy because again, we're getting close to you know some antitrust stuff. You're starting to see, you know, you've seen a couple of teams unionized or colleges unionized. You know, these things are starting to start to go through. But I think what's gonna happen is you're I think you will get something passed, and then it's you're gonna have a period of challenges like you always

Judge Shopping And The Colorado Ruling

SPEAKER_03 10:11

do. Things are gonna go through the courts, and then hopefully it all just calms down.

SPEAKER_01 10:17

I mean, really it just yeah, yeah. For now, right? For now. For now, right, exactly. Uh, I mean, because here's the thing, it's just really is the saddest thing with Instable A where it's just like uh there seems to be a precedent where basically just if you don't like a ruling, just sue, just go go around and sue a couple of times, and eventually they'll somebody will say yes to it.

SPEAKER_03 10:38

Like, well, and that's the other thing, too, right? Not to cut you off, that you see you see like multiple um um challenges, right? And and you see that it's filed in this court, you see it's filed in this court, and they strategically do that knowing that the court is going to be in their favor, right? This this court is historically pro-union, or this this court is normally conservative, or this court's, you know, republic or uh progressive or liberal. And so they know where to go to get these things filed, and and they know that based off of history, that they know that they have a better fighting chance to get what they're whatever they're looking for initially approved. And then again, all the appeals and all that stuff. So, you know, you said Supreme Court earlier, and I don't think you're far off. I I I would not be surprised if this thing at at some point in the next three to four years ends up uh ends up in the Supreme Court because there's gonna be challenges. There always is.

SPEAKER_01 11:30

I mean, with with a sport like this where there's billions of dollars being thrown around here, I don't see why it doesn't make complete sense today that it needs to be handled with the highest manner, because obviously, like you said, the NCAA opened up Pandora's boxes to wild, wild west out there, and we're not saying that everything needs to be set in stone, right? But some things uh need to be just black and white, you know. There what is black and white even anymore, you know, with with everything's gray, everything's gray these days, everything. It's it's ridiculous. And I mean, because again, like like going back to my point of that, you know, like the the uh the judge that ruled uh all 2022 the one in Colorado, yes, yeah. So so that that's my that's my point is the fact that that the the judge that ruled that all 20 class 2022 uh players who played four straight years gets a fifth year of eligibility, that judge was in Colorado. Like it just it just it's so random. Like it just it's just well again.

SPEAKER_03 12:32

They found a court that was gonna buy into it because you know they had a separate run here in North, where they're in North Carolina. I always think I'm in North Carolina, but uh like they you know the the three guys from NC State filed theirs in North Carolina, and so you get all these pop-ups, and then basically it's a rush to whoever can pass judgment first, and then they're like, Okay, we got good traction over here. Now we're gonna just dismiss ours, and then we're all gonna go jump on that one, right? We'll we'll jump on that bandwagon, right? And like if it works, just keep doing it, right? Just keep filing until you find a place that's gonna take it, right? Um, you know, it's just it's kind of like uh getting a little off topic, but you know, when you go to a grand jury, they always say that you know, a grand jury can um get enough evidence to convict uh a sandwich, right? There's enough evidence to take a ham sandwich to trial. Um again, you just need you need one person, one person, one judge to say, I'm with you, and then pack it up and the circus moves to that town.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

And and then you literally have the NCAA like with the Colorado uh ruling. You have the NCAA saying, No, I say that they can't. They can't do it. No, like, no, don't do it, you know. Just like it's just like it even they're basically admitting like like we have no jurisdiction, we have no control over our own our own product.

SPEAKER_03 13:48

And again, the judge that did this, right? She didn't even know about transfer, like, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is this. Like, I I'm only no, I don't know, I don't know anything. And she came out, I know nothing about sports. I'm just saying this, and now you're just breaking everything. Yeah, and so now she has to come out and re-rule and you know, amend and all it's it's a mess, man. I I do hope that it gets um gets cleared in and I hope we do talk about the Save College Sports Act because it was really hot last week, and there's some interesting takeaways that um are out there, and again, you know, um, spoiler alert, they didn't get it figured out before recess, so maybe they get it figured out in September. But again, like I said, they can't figure out daylight savings time. What and that seems to be the most basic of like, hey, thumbs up, thumbs down. Like, there's not a lot of stuff, you know, with that. There's not a lot of moving parts, but you know, these bills in Congress, they they have so many moving parts, and they're like, Oh, I want this, I want this amendment, I want that amendment. It's some uh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:48

Well, I mean, so uh and I did, I mean, I don't really have this here, uh, at least on the the producer plan here for today.

Darrion Williams Signs Back With Texas Tech

SPEAKER_01 14:57

But I do want to ask about it. You're uh you know, I want to talk a little bit about Darren Williams uh announcing his transfer back to Texas Tech. Yeah, uh Greg, you know, was there a lot of surprise in that announcement?

SPEAKER_03 15:08

I don't think so. Like yeah, they mean they were the rumors were out there for a couple of weeks now. Like if everything, you know, if it were to fall in place and they they got the in the inj, I guess it's a temporary injunction at this point, um, for the basketball side. Um, it just made sense. Like you're familiar with the coach, you're familiar with the city, you know, you're familiar with the university. Um, they had a need. Um, they probably had enough NIL stashed away to meet his demand. And and why not? Like again, Darion Williams was is gonna make more in college than he would in in some pro league in Greece or Turkey or France or wherever he might have ended up at.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

Well, also, too, not only that, but obviously if he does want to have a chance at at making an NBA roster, what better place to go than on national TV? Uh, which he will be uh at Texas Tech. Uh, but now the question though, which I am curious about, and I think a lot of SC State fans are worried about, is do you think Ganey considered at all Darion Williams? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 16:10

Uh probably minimal, right? He he might have reached out and you know had a conversation. I agree. I don't think the talks would ever were gonna ever get serious. I I don't think that Darion Williams fits what one, what we have currently on the roster, and and two the scheme and the system that um Ganey's looking to um employ or deploying.

SPEAKER_01 16:34

No, agreed, and and and also to just the the price that he probably was would have asked for, like, yeah, it just doesn't really make sense.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

I'm guessing he's three to four million dollars easily. Yeah, uh maybe not that much, maybe like two and a half to three. Probably that's probably more like it. But again, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 16:50

Yeah, still still way out of what we'd be willing to invest for sure. At this point, though. Yeah, yeah. At this point, at this point, you're just looking for just Phil's or Van Alluben.

The August 18 Hearing And The Clock

SPEAKER_01 17:02

That's pretty much it. So uh, you know, but again, more to come in terms of you know what does happen, and we'll talk a little bit about uh recruiting here uh in a second, too, as well. But Greg, uh to kind of bring it all back here to K Tron Evans here.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

So yeah, real quick. Um, so he has a timeline. Uh the next thing is August 18th, is his next um kind of Zoom hearing, if you will. Um that will set the time timeline schedule when we look to see because the other thing is we play football in three weeks, 19 days if if you're watching at home. Um, so this thing has to get figured out pretty quickly, right? Um, so so there's that. And then I think you said or I said like he's he's eligible till the 24th, or the or I think that'll be like the next official hearing um will be set on the 18th. Right. Correct. Right. They'll they'll set up the schedule. Um, so he'll probably they'll probably have I don't know, maybe they have something before the 24th, but at least for now, this gets him back on the roster because before he couldn't do anything, you know, he couldn't he couldn't be he couldn't practice with the team, he couldn't work out with the team, he wasn't covered medically, all of that stuff. So now he's back on the roster. He he gets full full full rights and all that with the team. And um, yeah, hopefully, hopefully it's resolved before the 24th. Because again, you don't want to, you know, 24th, that's game week. So now you're putting in your game plan, you know, you're figuring out who you're gonna have available. Um, so that really does put a drag and a strain on the on the team and the coaching staff.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Agreed. Yeah, no, may, may, maybe whoever's making these dates doesn't know college football either. Uh right. Yeah. So I would hope.

SPEAKER_03 18:42

I mean, yeah, and again, it's if we're truly looking out for the best interest of the student athlete, right? Because that's the that's the thing we we always hide behind, right? It's what's best for the student athlete. The best thing is is to get him, like get get his final hearing. Like, let's stop playing games. Um, is he or isn't he? You know, poop or get off the pot. Like, let's roll.

SPEAKER_01 19:02

That's right. And appreciate you using the PG version too

"It's A Game Changer If We Have Him"

SPEAKER_01 19:06

as well. It's only it's not nine o'clock yet. So that's that's right. Uh, but bringing it back though to Catron, though. So uh Coach Dorn said back in June on getting him eligible, and I quote, it's a game changer if we have him. And we all know D'Oren for sure definitely won't just say something just to say something, Gil. He'll tell it like it is, uh, 99.99999% of the time. Uh, so to me, that's a quite the quote for him for sure, uh, in terms of his potential impact. And especially, you know, when we did our defensive preview, Ethan and I, which you haven't checked out, check that out yet, make sure to go and check that out here right now. But we talked about Josiah Victor and how NC State is very, very high on him,

What Evans Does For The D-Line

SPEAKER_01 19:44

and rightfully so, definitely should a lot of pop last year. But he only has played 96 career snaps, uh, and he missed four games last year. So going into a season with him being your solo, your Brandon Cleveland, say, of of this year would be very nerve-wracking at a very pivotal spot right there in the middle of the defensive line. So adding a guy that's a fifth year that's six foot three, 336 pounds, from Marshall, has a ton of experience. Man, that that's that really has to move the needle in terms of thoughts on defensive line.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Uh absolutely does, right? Again, it gives you an extra piece to play with, and it it puts other guys back at more, maybe more natural positions that they they like to play or they're better suited for. Um, you're not having to put someone kind of quote unquote out of position. And then it just it makes your depth guys depth guys instead of starters. Um, you know, and and especially the first you know month or so of the season where it's gonna be 80, 90 degrees, those, those, those D-line guys, they they get worn out in a game. And so you're gonna want all the depth and need all the depth that you can. Um, and again, of course, you know, God forbid you have an injury, like you're you're not you're not losing two guys, right? So for for you know, Evans and then you know whoever went down. Um, so it just just gives you, you know, it's it's it's a nice little insurance policy to have.

SPEAKER_01 21:04

Agreed. Yeah,

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Recruiting Rundown: Jamil Robinson Commits

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SPEAKER_03 25:11

Yeah, Ganey's first prep pickup. Um a guy from what I was reading about today, a little under the radar. Um, seems like he's gonna be a little bit of a development project. I don't I don't know, maybe project's not the right word, but he's a guy that you're gonna want to spend multiple years kind of again, not comparing the two, but just kind of comparing their past. I, you know, think of a Mikey Wilkins kind of guy where he comes in, you know, needs to, you know, develop, get better, get stronger, um, develop his game, but a guy that they think that has the potential, maybe in year two, um, to really to really make an impact for this team. So yeah, really excited. You know, Coach Ganey dipping his toe in the water for the first time in the prep ranks, and um, we'll see, we'll see, you know, how it turns out.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah. Now, obviously, for for uh Jameel, he's a guy. If you look at his offer list, he only has seven offers, and none of them really pop off the list at all. Uh, I mean, it's basically us then Charlotte, Georgia Southern, Omaha, and Tennessee Tech. Uh, so you you say, Well, why are we even talking about him then? Why are we so excited? Well, I think listen, it it goes back to the fact that I always say that high school recruiting is get the guys you want. Transport portals, get the guys you need. Yeah, you know, so so hey, because I'm sure obviously he's not probably asking much of anything from an NIL perspective in order to commit. Uh, and so you bring him to NC State, and and guess what? If he can be your next football version of J Sam, your football version of Garrett Bradbury, the guys that had no high school offers what's pretty much whatsoever, uh, and they turn into superstars, then sure. Hey, if if Gany season it works out, amazing. Then then you you have a guy hook, lying, and sinker to say, listen, like we believed in you in the beginning. Ain't ain't ain't nobody showing any faith in you besides us. So hey, listen, if if if you turn into something, then remember that. Uh here for sure.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

Yeah, and this is a guy that could blow up, right? Like he could yeah, he could have a monster year, and sometimes you got to be the first guy in in the door, you know, early bird gets the warm kind of uh deal. Show, show, show, you know, these kids are all about getting love shown, right? Like every time you read, like, you know, an interview they do, like, hey, I see you're interested in stay, yeah, so-and-so showed me love, you know. And so again, if you can show that love and you make those relationships, um, and you and you're the first, because you see that a lot. Oh, they were the first to offer, they were the first to, you know, blah, blah, blah. These kids a lot of times go with those, you know, those things, right? Because again, it's you know how they perceive things. And I I think that, you know, this could be someone, and obviously Coach Gainey and staff saw something in him and they like what they saw, and and they figure um they can they can make hay with him. And if you look, like if you look as the as the as the transfer portal season went on, you saw Gainey bring in a lot of lower level guys, right? Like guys that he can see that can fit his system. He wasn't going for the the shiny diamond, right? He was going more for maybe like a diamond in the rough kind of guy. Again, all these kids that they brought in, super talented, but he wants to find guys that he can mold, he can have an influence on. They have some of the traits that he's looking for, and then he just kind of takes it and and runs with you know what it what he gets.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

Yeah. So again, you know, definitely listen. Uh, I I I have no reason not to believe that that then they if Justin Ganey says, Jameel Robinson, I I believe this guy can be something worth showing an offer for, then sure, you know, okay, I can believe in that. No worries. Uh, you know, again, this is a guy that that is is an elite recruiter. Uh, he's he's been around some of the best prospects in the country. I mean, Dalton Connect, for example, is is an immediate example you think of out of high school, you know, four-star guy. So a solid uh recruit, but you know, wasn't a guy that I mean, I'm sure most people expected to be the Los Angeles Lakers star that he is today, uh, and and even star that he was

Micah Handlogten And The Lubin Backup Plan

SPEAKER_01 29:14

at Tennessee. So, hey, listen, I'm all for it. Have no reason to think otherwise. Yep. Now, other than that, prove me wrong. Yep, prove me wrong. Exactly. Now, Greg, uh NC State, I think it finally has a a little bit of a backup plan if and now Lubin doesn't work out here in a seven foot-one center from Florida, who doesn't pop off the page from a from a stats perspective, but definitely again at seven foot one in a spot where you could be, you know, be happy with a little bit more depth and another option uh at a very important position like center, uh, you definitely take the chance on him.

SPEAKER_03 29:51

Yeah, so first off, we don't even know if Vin Allen Lumin's even in the picture, right? Like like the rumor is that you know, sounds like there's been some discussions. Um, again, we talked about it there with Darion Williams earlier. Like, how serious are those talks, right? Are you just kind of an exploratory talks, just kind of filling up the waters, seeing, okay, maybe if there's a fit, because again, there has to be fit, there has to be money, you know, all of that stuff, right? So you can have fit, but you might not have money, right? Maybe this kid from Florida isn't looking for as much in the NIL world. Um he's a guy that like his minutes have gone, like from his freshman year to this past year, uh all of his stats have kind of gone down every year. Um, again, not really flaw following Florida and what they've done. Very good program, by the way. Obviously, winning the national championship just a couple years removed from that. I believe I'm pretty sure he was on that on one of those teams. Um I think he might have been a freshman or a sophomore. Um, but it looks like he's a guy that's maybe gotten recruited over. Um again, like all of his stats are just kind of declined every year, um, especially his minutes, right? And so that's the that's where I wanted to focus on is that yes, his stats aren't maybe jumping off the page, but I feel like he's been pretty productive given the amount of playing time he's had. Uh and again, you're you're hoping that maybe, you know, maybe you up that that tick in playing time, right? Maybe I think he was at like 15 or 16 minutes this past year. I could be wrong, it might have been 19.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Um, like but more like 15.

SPEAKER_03 31:22

Was it 15? Yeah, I thought it was 15 because I think he's stuck his first year, I think he was around around 19, 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

And by the way too, we're talking about Micah Hanlogden. Micah Hanlogin. 4.1 points per game, 5.9 rebounds last season.

SPEAKER_03 31:34

Yeah, he's a seven foot-one guy. So again, that's an area of need in the front court. You have Evans, but you know, you you you want some uh you want some depth there potentially again for foul trouble, injury. You you know, you don't want to you know put all your baskets in, you know, put all your eggs in one basket, excuse me. And again, area of need, Ganey's address uh addressing it potentially. Um I think he's down to four schools. I think uh it was us, old miss, um USC, yeah, and that was it, right? Three or four, it was like three or four schools. Um so again, states in the mix. Um we'll see. Again, you know, you know, I think I think he would be one B if if Ben Allen Lubin is being is a target, and then if you're not able to secure that, then then you can kind of fall back on this guy. And again, it's a guy that's played in the SEC, so he's got P4 experience. You know, he he checks a lot of the boxes that you're looking for. Um and I I don't think he would be super, super expensive, right? He definitely would be a cheaper option than than Lubin. Um, so again, if if dollars uh came down to being the final factor, I think you you would have an easier time signing this guy over Lubin.

SPEAKER_01 32:46

Yeah. Yeah, no, definitely. Now, I mean 100% Ven Al Lubin is the choice all day and twice on Tuesday if you can make it work, no doubt about it. Uh, but once again, you know, if uh, you know, an option comes where you can get a guy with this much size, with the pedigree and the background that he has, playing at one of the top basketball, you know, universities right now uh in college basketball, then sure, we'll take it. No doubt about it. Uh give Kyle Evans a little bit of you know more support and uh give Gany another option uh if it's ever needed or called upon. And also, hey, listen, you know, it's a guy that's gonna come in probably more more likely with a chip on his shoulder, wanting to make a point. Listen, I'm not just a four 4.6 rebound uh uh game guy. Like just like you said, Greg, a guy that probably got recruited over and just you know, coming here to to break heads and you know, and and and try and make a name for himself. And I think you know, with the eyes that will be on NC State this season and Justin Ganey, sure, it's a great place to do it. Why not? So if there's no guarantees for sure, even that I don't think Kyle Evans is gonna be handed the center spot if he if if if if Micah comes in now for sure. I think he's you know the presumptive favorite, no doubt about it. Uh, especially with probably the NIL funds that you've you put towards him, completely get it. But I always say just because you pay the guy, you know, the top three, top four money shouldn't guarantee that he has to start. Now, with that being said, if he doesn't start, then that hurts a little bit because then why did you pay him that much money? But once again, like at the end day, we're here to win basketball games, period. Like, I I don't care if it ends up that that that the best five that you have that win you, you know, three quarters of your ACC games. If that if that team ends up being made up of your five lowest paid players on your entire roster, sure, I'll take it. I won't say I won't say no. I want I want I don't I don't care about winning games. I care about starting the guys who are paying to the most. And what's the point here? So it's it's just that's just my biggest, my biggest pain now. But again, it's a total balance in the fact that at the end at the end of the season, if you know you paid a guy a good chunk of change and end up playing pretty much not at all the entire season, then yeah, uh we're definitely gonna have some questions around

Chat Question: Why Can't Anyone Stop Will Wilson?

SPEAKER_01 35:06

it. So, but again, new coach, you know, give him an opportunity, let's see what happens here. So um, I do want to jump into though, we got one comment here, Greg, here in the chat from Rusty asking, can anyone explain how everyone in the stadium knows that Will Wilson is going to run the ball every single fourth down and he still converts it pretty much every single time or scores a touchdown? Uh, like how can we not stop him? Uh Greg, I I I, you know, I wouldn't I wouldn't say either of us are football experts here per se, but for me, really, it's just a matter of listen, you know, football is football is an easy sport in the fact that it's two guys going against each other predominantly. It's usually one one-on-one, and basically trying to invoke, you know, your your will against him, basically saying, I'm gonna move you backwards. And and I don't know, just it for from for for me, Will Wilson with his size, with his stature, with his athleticism that that he has, which in my opinion is underrated to say the least, uh, it's just a matter of, hey, you give that guy basically five foot five feet of of distance to get some speed and go get me six inches of a a yard, even, yeah, I'll I'll put some money on it that that's gonna take care of most of the job, but also to the fact that I think the offensive line, I think the offensive line doesn't really get much of any credit for that, even too as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

No, I mean, how does it happen? Well, it's execution, right? It's it's everyone on the team doing what they're supposed to be doing, how they're supposed to be doing it. And you know, you can have a you can have a the the perfect play drawn up for the for the situation. You can have the right, you know, formation on the defense, they're lined up exactly how you want them. But if you go and go out and execute it, it doesn't really matter at that point. And I think that, you know, it's just everyone doing their job at the same time, rowing in the same direction. And that Will Wilson, like again, I think Will Wilson does a really nice job of hitting holes. He doesn't dance. Um, he he knows that he needs a yard, two yards, three yards, whatever that you know that number is. He puts his head down and goes gets it. Uh that that's how you get it done, right? I think those two things. Um, you know, you have a plan and you go execute it. And um look, until the other team stops it, you keep running it. Like if you don't stop it, I I'm not gonna stop running the same play, right? And again, if you don't like it, stop them. Like that it's that simple.

SPEAKER_01 37:37

And because one other thing, too, as well, I think that adds to it is the fact that then they he is a quarterback, so it's not like it's not like you have a a Duke Scott back there uh doing this, you have a quarterback. So at the end of the day, you you as a defense can't just simply say, I'm going 12 12 guys right down the middle, and I'm I'm I'm putting it all, I'm going at it, I'm stopping this because then they the moment that that you do that, he has the arm to beat you, you know. Uh so you know, you can't. And I'm hoping we see that this year.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

Yeah, I'm hoping we see that this year, you know, some wrinkles to that. Um, again, you don't necessarily need the wrinkles, but you would think, having done this for a year, that the defense are gonna get wiser, right? And so now you have to figure out how to counter the defense's strategy. And again, that's just staying one step ahead. Um, and you see that in in a lot of sports, especially baseball, right? Like you see a hitter that can hit fastballs all day. Well, now you start throwing him change-ups and sliders and curves and you know, throw them off speed stuff. Stop feeding them fastballs, right? You're not gonna you're not gonna play to his strength. So now you so now you know if if if and when we see it get stopped more frequently, okay, now we need to re-evaluate.

unknown 38:50

Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Well, and obviously don't do that on fourth and one, do it on third and one. Third and one, perfect time to do it, in my opinion. Because then if you don't get it completed, then guess what?

Freaks List: Duke Scott And Colby Cronk

SPEAKER_01 39:00

You got fourth and one, and you just tell Wilson, Wilson, all right, it didn't work, go back and get the job done. Uh, so I do want to highlight two freak, two freak list participants in Duke Scott and Colby Cronk. Duke Scott last year uh on the freaks list was number 66 last year. He jumped 48 spots. Uh, it's a number 18. Uh, steps in as a running back one. We all know about that. But he has a 38.5 inch vertical. Keep in mind, he's 5'10, so that's over half of his own height that he can jump in the air. 10 feet two broad jump, uh, four point four point three five second 40, 350 bench and a 405 clean. Uh again, just an absolute beast to say the least for sure, in terms of what he's able to accomplish from an athleticism standpoint, which is why, once again, I think NC State was all for saying I'm willing to let go of Hollywood to invest in in what Duke Scott can be this season, which in my opinion, Greg, is an all ACC back.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

Yeah, absolutely. I think he's got the potential uh to kind of pick up right where Hollywood left off. Um, you know, it'll it'll be interested to see how that combo plays out. You know, is he gonna be a featured back? Is he you know are they gonna go running back by committee? Um yeah, time will tell. But I think there's definitely a potential there. That I I think I think there's no doubt um that he can he can surprise some people. Again, I I did the hot take earlier uh as we were kind of beginning our football chat this year that I think he could be a thousand-yard runner for the first time since Reggie Reggie Gillespie in 2018. Um, but again, we'll have to see how that plays out.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah. Uh and then the other one is Colby Cronk, uh defensive lineman number 41 on this list, which you know makes sense with uh what I'll go over here. But it's the first time, his first time on the list. His nickname is Crash, by the way, too, which I think is is funny because there's only really one reason I'm guessing why it could be that way. And you know, it maybe and and you know, you heard a pot from him one day with his hit him hitting the pads and said, All right, his name's Crash. But uh he was 260 pounds last year. Now he's 285. That that uh D'Antonio Thunder Burnett effect there, uh, six foot three frame broke the program record, not the year record, not the decade record, the team record, the program record with a 410-pound power clean, which is crazy because he's he's only a sophomore. Like he's he's still got two more thunder. Yeah, he's still got two more years to develop, man. Like this dude, this dude get a 500 power pound power clean. That's that's insane to say the least. And I mean, because again, we're not talking about any there's been a lot of beef stuff coming through from weight room perspective through NC State. So to say it all as already a sophomore, he's already broken a record is is is is crazy. I mean, even Gatavia Street, uh who who uh um who squatted 700 pounds, that was his senior year, you know? So it's it's incredible to say the least. But 420 bench, 35.6 inch vertical, nine foot six broad jump, four point eight forty, four point three shuttle. Keep in mind that we're talking about defensive linemen here, uh, but also too, as well, uh during his time in uh because he's uh from the state of Florida, he was a state champion in the shot put. So that that explains a lot of that leg power there, Greg, too, as well. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:32

Now you mentioned the weight that he's put on, and you know, I typically do that as well, eating barbecue with a Coney Cole sauce on it. But you know, if we can do a call back there, um he's putting he's putting good weight on, though. Uh he's not putting on barbecue weight. Uh but yeah, no, it's just it's just what Thunder does, right? Coach Thunder, he had a nice Zoom call earlier later earlier in the summer with the uh One Pack and IPS guys. And uh yeah, I mean these these stories that you hear aren't anything new, right? And you you mentioned Catavia Street, like like state's been doing this, right? And it goes back to the development that you were talking about, the zero stars, you know, the J Stams, the great Garrett Bat Bradbury's of the world. Like that's what NC State does. NC State develops and then you know gets guys ready, and then you know, they have a two-year run where they can just keep turning over, you know, the rotation, right? Um yeah, I think I think I think Cronk is going to get Kronk this year. Um, I think he's going to I think he's gonna um do some damage.

Carter-Finley Upgrades And Fan Gripes

SPEAKER_03 43:33

Uh, I think they're they're looking for him to to be, you know, not not just a weight room warrior, but uh, you know, a warrior on the field as well.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Which by the way, too, Greg, I I want to take absolutely five minutes on this and then uh we gotta move on here. But uh it hasn't been announced yet as of today, which is August 10th, uh at 9.22 p.m. Uh like usually they'll come out basically like with the new Carter Finley upgrades uh uh from last year to this year. Uh is there anything you're hoping for that's gonna be upgraded for the season, Greg?

SPEAKER_03 44:07

I don't really think there's much. Um, you know, normally you normally you hear about projects and then you kind of see them, you know, completed. Hasn't been really anything. I know they've done a few cosmetic things here and there uh around the stadium, just some like new signage and Some uh um uh what's the word? Um placards and stuff like that. It just doesn't seem like a big year this year for upgrades. Um, are is there something specifically that you were hoping for or that you might be aware of that I'm I'm not tracking?

SPEAKER_01 44:38

No, I just know a lot of NC State fans that will uh well, not necessarily from a project standpoint, but from a song standpoint, since we're talking about Krunk, uh people complaining about the Krunk Ain't Dead third down song, being like, that's so dumb. Like, like we do have that. And it's like, listen, guys, once again, again, we are not at grind my gears yet, but you know what really grinds my gears is when fans don't understand those songs mean all about you. It's it's those two those are not intended for you basically whatsoever. The only thing that they're going to do with for you is make sure that's clean. But other than that, yeah, it's pretty much what the players want and what the students want.

SPEAKER_05 45:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:18

And because I mean, like, like now, it's what the players want mostly, but sure, it also too matters to the students because guess what? If if you feed the players, you feed the students. If you feed the students, you feed the fans from from from a from a from an energy perspective. Now, that's another thing though, Greg, that still grinds my gears. It's kind of stop.

SPEAKER_03 45:39

I bet you're gonna go where the band is located. Yes, I knew that's where this was coming.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

It's an annual tradition, Greg. Yes, we like we can't die. Yes, just once again, it really grinds my gears. The fact that you get rid of the mic man, you get rid of rid of the band with the student section. So the student section is is has been lost the last two years, honestly. Yeah, and and and and you can't tell me that the fact that you're seeing so many students leave now during games, that doesn't have something to do with it. They're the energy is not over there anymore. It's it's just it's I mean it's it's solid, but just yeah, it doesn't have that guidance anymore.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Yeah, but that's not just a state thing, that's a that's a cultural college thing now where you know kids just you know they got better things to do. They, you know, their phone beckons them. Yeah, their phone beckons them. Like, I have to have my screen time. Like I'm down 10% in my screen time, I gotta get it back up, you know. Um yeah, I yeah, it is frustrating. I get it. Um, you know, they do those surveys. I know I've put in the survey a couple of times. Hey, move the band back. Like it's just um not that I care um as far as like it's oh it's too because they I've heard they complain, oh, the band is too loud, you know, put them back in the student section. It's like like these are people that just want to complain to complain. Like, that's what we do as NC State fans. I've had this conversation over and over before, but uh no, like just I want to be hype. Like I'm almost 50 years old. I got a few more years left of hypedness left in me before I'd be like, hey, turn it down, it's getting too loud. Um, so I want to enjoy these last few years of uh getting you know jazzed up and you know on my feet, and you know, look, I I I'll be the first to admit after tailgating for five hours and standing for three hours, my dogs be barking the next day. My hamstrings are tight, like I'm getting old and fat. Like I need like just enjoy a couple more years of this, and I'm gonna be all right. Okay. So if I can do it, I know everybody else can too.

SPEAKER_01 47:39

Yeah, no, absolutely. So uh yeah, uh again, just from the from the alternate uniforms to the song choices to so when you say alternate uniforms, are you talking black in them?

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Yes, because everyone's like that's an annual tradition too. I know that's an annual tradition. We should do like a we should do maybe like maybe we do a recording of an episode of like the top ten, we rank the top ten gripes from an NC State fan. Like what what is the pecking order of like um I I don't know if if you watch a lot of I think you do uh the OG podcast and they had like the Dave Dorn circle of life, you know, chart.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

Right.

SPEAKER_03 48:23

You kind of need one of those for a fan as well. Like, where are you at in your complaints as a fan? Um it's uh yeah, it gets old, and and here I am complaining about complainers, so it doesn't really help the situation.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Well, and you know, the the Centennial Authority upgrades, man. Why are you taking away auto gating? You know, that's I mean, I get that one.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Hey, I get that one. I get I know I get that I get it.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

But again, for this for the for the big picture here, Greg, yeah, it had to happen. For the big picture here, it had to happen.

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Yeah, it's not just about state.

SPEAKER_01 48:54

I know, yeah. So uh and then another one, uh uh you know, about the uh the NIL or you know, the additional ticket fees as well too as well. Yeah, so so put put some gripes in the chat.

Really Grinds My Gears

SPEAKER_01 49:10

What are what are you what are some gripes you feel like most NC State fans say would love to hear them for sure? We'll definitely need to do an episode about that here coming up soon. Yeah, uh, but yeah, you know what? Uh I think we've pretty much already done it here, Greg. But uh, you know, let's uh let's do a little bit of grind my gears here just to really uh just really put it put a bow on this here.

SPEAKER_05 49:30

You know what really grinds my gears?

SPEAKER_01 49:34

Yeah, so again, I mean we've already done really a lot of really grinds my gears. I mean, we can go back to talking about the just the NCAA really grinds my gears. Again, that could be a weekly basis here. Uh also to the fact like you know, playing ACC opponents, but them not counting it as ACC games, that also really grinds my gears.

SPEAKER_03 49:56

Just I mean again, I think that's another I think that's another product of the ACC and the NCAA as a whole, right? Like again. Um, so you can you can kind of come back full circle on on the NCA and ACC and Jim Phillips. And again, like I said, I need my I need my graph here where I can point like whose fault it is.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

Yeah. Uh also, too, as well, there was uh uh one uh uh NC or uh you know what it was Josh Pate uh that came out with his quarterback list and he didn't list CJ Bailey. Yeah, that was a rough one.

SPEAKER_03 50:26

I think he put like what 30 quarterbacks on that list.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

30 quarterbacks and CJ Bailey wasn't on it. Uh nope. Redo, my man.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

I know I saw I saw another one. Uh it was some some guy ended up on my Twitter feed or X feed. See what grinds my gears is old guys like me still calling it Twitter. Um but this guy did like a top 10 players list, and I'm like, he didn't even have like an honorable mention of CJ Bailey. I'm like, like for a position that's so vital and crucial, um and did CJ get any uh player of the year, like they do offense and defense player of the year.

SPEAKER_01 51:05

Did he he was third on player of the year votes?

SPEAKER_03 51:10

Yeah, so if you're doing if you're doing that, right, unless you're saying there's seven defensive players better than the top three offensive players, CJ should be a top ten player in the conference, right? And so this guy, this knucklehead, uh just and he had like I think he had like three or four Miami guys on the top 10 list. And I went to his bio and I'm like, and I get it, like Miami's you know the favorite of the of the ACC. And then I went to the guy's bio and I'm like, all right, dude, are you a Miami fan? And if he's not, I'm like, I think you're just taking the top teams and then cherry picking names off of this because again, it was I don't know, I thought it was wild. And again, like we'll always be homers for our guys, but CJ Bailey Bailey not in a top 10 ACC list is is insane to me.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Yeah,

3:30 Kickoffs And The Brazil Refund Update

SPEAKER_01 51:52

yeah, no, definitely. Uh, another thing that really grinds my gears is 3:30 p.m. kickoffs on August 29th in Charlottesville. Well, well, well, oh, and not in Brazil. Is that where you're going with this? Well, hold on. I'm getting there, Greg. I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_03 52:05

330 is prime. That's that's a good time.

SPEAKER_01 52:07

But but dude, that that that that summer sun, man, at the peak of day, man, it's gonna be hot.

SPEAKER_03 52:12

We're gonna be wearing black uniforms, it's fine.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

I remember I remember in 2014 uh when NC State played at USF. Uh, I was talking to the USF uh student equip managers, and the week before, I think they played Louisville and they wore their black uniforms uh at USF, and they were like, yeah. What was the game?

SPEAKER_03 52:34

Was it early season?

SPEAKER_01 52:36

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was like third game of the season. Probably a new game, beautiful, smart.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

Yeah, there's a reason why the Bucks wear white until like October at home.

SPEAKER_01 52:46

Which uh uh by the way, Greg, uh two things here. Uh, first of all, what grinds my gears? Have you heard anything about money back yet from Brazil?

SPEAKER_03 52:56

Yes, nice, well slow down, slow down, slow down. So it's funny you say that, right? Because I went on my grind my gears rant from last week, and then the next day I magically had an email. Um, I don't think it was me that that caused the email to go out, but I want to feel like it did anyway. Yeah, um, so we they're we have they are starting to process refunds, but because it's international, we don't get our money back into our bank account. They're gonna cut us checks like it's 1999. Oh boy. Like who the hell has checks anymore?

SPEAKER_01 53:27

They'll get they'll send you Visa gift cards, Greg.

SPEAKER_03 53:30

Probably, yes. Yes, that well, yeah, the Foucault de Chow, a Brazilian steakhouse. That's where I'm getting uh that's where I'm getting the gift cards too. We're sorry. Um yeah, so we'll see. We'll see. Look, when I when I have the check, it will be posted uh on Twitter after it's been deposited.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Um there we go.

SPEAKER_03 53:49

Yeah. But hey, so so anyway, so what what what was your major gripe about 330 kickoffs?

SPEAKER_01 53:56

Just I mean, well, I mean, just the fact, I mean, like it just do a nighttime game, you know, nighttime game, just out out of the summer sun idea.

SPEAKER_03 54:06

It's the TV schedule. It's the TV schedule because USC is playing somebody, I think they're playing like New Mexico State or Hawaii or something. Um so of course they're gonna eat up the the the the the evening time slots, yeah. But again, at least we got a better time slot than than Carolina, right?

SPEAKER_01 54:22

Well, well, but here's my thing, and this is why this is why it's on it's on Grandma Gears, Greg, is because then they I'm talking to somebody who's trying to figure out if Charlottesville is even doable. I'm like, well, I got a newborn. That's not great. Huh? Are you trying to go? Well, I was talking about it. I have four free tickets. Well, I listen, Greg, I I already made the decision and that I'm not gonna face the wrath of asking my wife to go with a newborn home. I'm just like I but but unfortunately saying to myself, man, it's gonna be a hot freaking game to to start to start the game there for sure. I'm like, and then gosh, but we lose. Oh man. So anyway, but again, uh so again, that's why. Like it was it wasn't a major grandma gears, it was a mini-grandma gears.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Hold on, hold on, hold on. Uh-oh. Whipped. You didn't have the sound effects, but I pulled it up on my phone.

Tuffy's Tweets Of The Week

SPEAKER_00 55:20

Yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 55:21

No, I get it. You got a kid at the house, and uh you know, she's already she's already having to do a lot for you since you're lazy. So I I get it.

SPEAKER_01 55:29

All right, now anyway, though. All right, let's don't don't make me don't make me call the guy out to to to give to give you a kick in the in the in the behind.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

In the behind, yeah. Oh, geez. Well you you literally have that queued up. That is that is disturbing.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

It will live here forever, Greg. Forever, forever and ever. All right. So with that being said, let's jump on over to another of our favorite uh segments here and uh Tuffy's tweets of the week, y'all. So our first tweet of the week here from uh Noah Fleischmann uh with the Wolfpacker. Uh I got an amazing picture there by Isaiah Moore and Jermaine Pratt, and uh listed a combined 577 total tackles, 284 still tackles, 61 tackles for loss, four interceptions, 19 pass defend passes defended between these two guys, which I didn't even know, Greg, that that Pratt was uh was back in NC State.

SPEAKER_03 56:23

Yeah, neither. Um I I saw this the other day and I was like, huh. Um I know he I know he was like with the Raiders earlier in the season last year and then asked for his release, went to the Colts. Um had a productive season too. Like it wasn't like he was slacking. I mean, he had I want to say it was like either like almost a hundred tackles or over a hundred tackles. Uh so he was still productive. Uh I think 10-year career um through a couple of teams. But uh yeah, I'm interested to see if this is you know kind of just a training camp thing or if he's gonna come on on the staff um as a grad assistant or something. I don't know. Um I'm I'm sure they could find a way, but uh yeah. What I love about this picture as well is that you know, these guys get to learn from an NFL pro that someone that's been there done that for 10 years. Um, you know, when when this guy talks to you, you better be listening, right? Like he's played at the highest level, um, has succeeded, played in the Super Bowl. Um, so he's you know, he's done, you know, been there, done that, got the t-shirts.

SPEAKER_01 57:23

Yeah, yeah. Well, and and too, uh even more so, a guy that didn't even get recruited and stay as a linebacker, got recruited and stay as a safety and not a high recruiter safety, a two three-stars, two, three-star safety. So, I mean, another guy, I think, on the list, Greg, maybe not to the level of Garrett Bradbury, J Sam, you know, diamond in the rough, but definitely diamond in the dirt. Uh, you know, maybe not rough, but diamond in the dirt for sure here in Jermaine Pratt. So uh um, you know, so a guy that you could really say, hey, listen, this is a guy that trusted the process and it worked out for him. Got got got a lot of money, and now he's back in NC State. Uh, but again, I think another thing too is the fact that it, it's it, I know, I know the NC State fans, I'm sorry, the Dave Dorn haters are gonna hate for me to say this, but does it not say a lot, Greg, at all? The fact that you look around at Coach Dorn, you see all these former players that are wanting to be a part of his program and not just like wanting to be a part of like, sure, I'll come to this event, sure, I'll show up at this practice, sure, I'll show up at this game. Like, no, they want to be on the coaching staff, they want to learn for Coach Doran. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Yeah, yeah, you have guys like Locklear, Thunder. Um, there's there's a couple more.

SPEAKER_01 58:38

Uh Isaiah Moore, Jermaine Pratt, right here.

SPEAKER_03 58:40

Right, that's what I said, these two. And then um there's a couple more. There's probably, I think, I think there's like five or six guys at least that had played at state previously that's on staff in in some sort of fashion. Um I think it might be more to be honest with you. I'm just safely guessing. But yeah, it's it's great to see these guys come home, guys that had successful pro careers. Um, you know, if it weren't for injury, I think Isaiah would have had a pro career um as well in some form or fashion. You know, um, I think he would have been good for you know three to five years and then the pros at minimum, yeah, um, if it weren't for his, you know, his his knee issue. But uh yeah, no, it's great. Uh again, guys that have succeeded, you know, got accolades and and trophies and rings, and it's good stuff, man. I I love it. I I love I love the fact that they want to come back also and give back to the who made them successful.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

Exactly. Right.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

Again, continue to pass the torch down the line.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

Yeah. Well, especially to a guy like Jermaine Pratt that has no need to you know do it from a money perspective. He's not doing this to make money, he's doing this purely for the love of NC State and per for the love of the game.

SPEAKER_03 59:48

Yeah, just stay. I don't like to use the word relevant, but just stay active, right? Stay, stay involved. And again, I think again, I think this is just about giving back. Like someone like a school that made you successful, earned you all the money that you um made, you know, took a chance on you, developed you, passed you along to the next level,

Realignment And The College Sports Bill

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

and now it's just kind of his way to come back and say thanks. Like I appreciate it. And now I want to see the next generation of state football players succeed.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:14

Yep, exactly. So um our next tweet of the week here, uh from Ross Dellinger saying, per the amendment obtained by Yahoo Sports, if a power league school wants to move to another power conference, the school can avoid the five-year probationary period if it withdraws from its league within 180 days of the bill's reenactment. So, Greg, sorry, enactment. Sorry. So, so Greg, I'm assuming this is tying around, you know, also to another annual tradition, which is conference realignment.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:46

Yeah. Yeah. So for me, this was a big thing, right? Because again, if people have read, and there's a lot of moving parts like I was talking about earlier, like all these different senators have kind of been, you know, jumping in. A senator from Florida jumped in to kind of protect the Florida schools. You've seen like Tommy Tupperville get in there, you've seen a couple other senators get in there about some other things that are a little bit more political. Um, so I won't really get into that stuff. But there, you know, so there's there's some political stuff with regards to this, but for me, this was the big one, right? Because again, everyone kind of keeps pointing to the year 2030 when the buyout for the ACC kind of takes its next dip, because I believe there's some kind of milestone there. I I don't remember what it is. Maybe the the TV rights is looked at again or something to some effect. Again, I apologize for not being completely read up on it. But uh to the point, like you've heard of like Florida State and Clemson specifically looking to get out a couple of years ago, and then there's been rumors about Miami, and then Carolina has been kind of floated around there for conference uh expansion. Um now, with that being said, so so again, if the bill the this is back to the say College Sports Act, once the bill originally was going to be done, there was basically a moratorium for five years before a school could jump conferences. Now they want to basically get a one one time get out of jail free card to bypass that five-year restriction. Now that does not absolve you, and to the point you were making earlier, that does not absolve you from the buyout of the league. Um, obviously, schools can negotiate that if the conference is willing to, but you know, you could see something as soon as, you know, assuming this is gonna it sounds like this is gonna pass in some shape or form, probably in September, October time frame. So you could be looking at around the first of the year some major movement in conferences um to basically kind of reshuffle the deck of of where schools are gonna land, right? Um and again, there's all kinds of other stipulations, 19 team um 19 team limit, no divisions, like there's again they're they're putting in all these amendments that will obviously be negotiated slash debated. But yeah. Stand by.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:10

Stand by. Uh well now, what was the phrase, Greg? Uh for now. For now.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:14

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:15

For now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:16

Again, this is fluid, right? And again, they were hoping to get an initial, yeah. They were hoping to get an initial, like uh it's called cult uh colut colour freaking monkey. I can't remember um what it is, but essentially it's a it's a a pole, a straw pole. Like, hey, like if we were to bring this to the floor, what does it look like? They were hoping to do that on Friday of last week and maybe get a vote over the weekend. But again, there's so many moving parts. You got you got you got Nick Saban sending in letters of recommendation because you know he testified earlier this year on the Hill about this stuff, and um, yeah, so many moving parts. And you have 50 states, right? Uh and all got to look out for their own institutions, universities, um, conferences, and and everyone has an opinion.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:01

Yeah, no, exactly. All right, so our our last tweet of the week here, Greg. Uh uh.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:07

Yeah, that's the initial. So we kind of did this in reverse. Um yeah, Ross Dellinger. Uh, if if this is if this stuff interests you, it it it has interested me. Um I I I'm a sponge for knowledge, and I love just kind of just staying up with current events and news. But here here he lays out, I believe this is the current version. Like I said, it's very fluid and they keep adding things and taking things away, and you've got conferences because initially the SEC and Big Ten were like, pound sand, we're not interested in this. But again, they had some they had some discussions and they had some ears of lawmakers, and so they were able to put their two cents into this. And again, it's it's ever moving. And then, you know, Jim Phillips, again, the ACC is for this, like the ACC, because of you know the pecking order, if you will, you know, SEC, Big Ten, they're like, we don't need you, right? And there's been rumor that they might start their own super league and like they everyone else can can take a hike. And then you have the you know, you have the ACC and and big Big 12 kind of posturing for third third dog, if you will. Um, and you know, there's been rumors that you might see Big 12 ACC kind of do a hodgepodge, a hybrid conversion, if you will. Um, there's gonna be schools left out in this thing. And again, it's it's the there's still a lot of dust to settle in this, and it's kind of fun to watch. Um, because again, you've you've you've seen this kind of beginning to happen over the last five to seven years. You started seeing some movement, and you know, the SEC kind of you know stepped out first when you saw the additions of um Texas and Oklahoma, and um, and then the Big Ten kind of did their thing as a counter move with you know Oregon and Washington and USC. ACC kind of made a counter move, and and so you have you have basically what a sets up to the showdown, if you will. And this is this is kind of the showcase showdown, and whatever comes out of this, and then you'll see another set of filtering and and and and movement. And it's kind of fun to watch. Now, from a fan perspective, I think it's kind of sad and disturbing. Oh, and one of the other things I thought, um, I don't remember the senator that put in put in for this. Oh, it was uh old boy from Louisiana, um, John Kennedy. He I like what he put in as again, looking out for fans. He He put in a language that um capped uh ticket uh prices going up by four percent annually. Uh so which is good looking out for the consumer. Um because again, who's looking out for us as the fans? We we are stuck with whatever happens and we just have to accept it and deal with it. And so I do like the fact that they are looking out for the little guy or the consumer as in as in the taxpayer, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:47

Well, because I mean I think that this is kind of piggybacked off, Greg. Uh, these sponsors that have been getting paired tied to schools. Uh, like I think I can't remember which school it was that got sponsored by Monster. Uh that's the league, the Big 12 actually itself. The Big 12 league got sponsored. Like that's that's crazy.

unknown 1:07:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:07

You're seeing league sponsorship, but now you're starting to see teams actually putting patches on their jerseys um to make money. And then I mean, there's so much moving parts, and they're talking about like I know Wreckers is doing some some funky stuff right now about like getting money from local government in New Jersey and then turning that into using for the NIL. That's something that they're trying to, you know, they they're basically trying to close all these loopholes, and and and that's really hard because again, we as humans are always gonna try to find a way to game the system. And and and and and that's what they're they're trying to close those loopholes. But we again we talked about at the beginning of the show. You've opened the box and now you're trying to stuff it all back in, and and it's gonna be it's gonna be fun. So then again, you're gonna see all these challenges, and I I still think we're probably three to five years away from the dust truly settling and being done with all this nonsense.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:01

Agreed. Uh, so with that being said, though, uh, we're gonna jump on back here to wrap this up here. Want to give uh uh do a little bit of fun here, Greg. Uh don't necessarily make it a full-on segment here, but I want to hear Greg to these comments here

Buy Or Sell

SPEAKER_01 1:08:17

if you're gonna if you buy or sell, aka, I can buy into it or I'm selling it. All right. So, first question here, and this is more of just like confirming our thoughts here. Catron Evans will play against Virginia on August 29th. I'm gonna buy it. Okay. Just just faith that we're we're this far, we're gonna finish things off here and get get the job done.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

Yeah, because I just feel every time that the court challenged or something's challenged in court, like whoever is putting it out there in the atmosphere typically wins, right? You saw with last year with Van D's quarterback, you you saw it this year with Sor Soresby, like they challenged that. Um the the NCAA is does not have a great track record in court. I kind of got to that point earlier in the in the conversation, so that's why I'm buying it here.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

Uh now with the return of of uh Evans, the defensive line is now not the weakest group for NC State football this season, or the weakest position group. Um so my head with this kind of thinks about cornerbacks, uh mainly tight ends.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:33

Yeah, I I think I'm I'm gonna say I'd buy that and and and I'm gonna say this only with the preface that I think the tight end room only because the lack of output on the college level. Like I know you've brought in a couple of guys with college experience, but I think you're asking some new roles for guys, guys learning an offense. Um, again, not to say, look, I have a lot of faith in in Sean Lockley or I think he does a phenomenal job. And so I think you'll have those guys ready. Um, but right now I'm a kind of guy that I need to see it. And so for that reason, I I will say I'll I'll buy this.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:17

I I heard a uh uh from Coach Dorns interview, he talked about how AJ Richardson and Popo are the starting middle linebackers, buy or sell that they'll be those two starting linebackers against Virginia.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

Oh, completely buy. I think they're very high on both of those guys. I think, you know, and and um Ethan did a nice job breaking down AJ Richardson um in your guys' um defensive breakdown and then releasing that clip. Uh, I think he's a guy that that state had a lot of high hopes for last year, but just didn't quite get it done with the injuries and just never kind of got got right. Um, so I don't think I don't think they've wavered on that um on that stance. And and I think Popo, um, I think they think the the the world of him as well. Um the guy that'll be really motivated.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

Here's maybe one, Greg, you might sell on here, but even with the addition of Evans, Josiah Victor will still lead the team, or sorry, I won't say lead the team, be top three on the team at tackles for loss.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:19

I I will sell that. Um I I I think again, uh different difference of scheme from from what we used to run, but I I I still think you know, when when Gibson was there, he was very heavy on on linebacker play and getting to the quarterback. Um, I think I think uh the the kid from Tulane, um Harvey Dyson is gonna be a guy that will probably be right up there as well. So top three, I don't I don't think top three, but he'll definitely be probably top five.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

Yeah, I got our our our our buddy Carson here in the chat saying 100% of snaps taken at tight end from last year are gone. It's a good point.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:56

No, if you saw in my in my well, I don't have it on this one. Yeah, there it is. Preston Douglas stays away, right? And I think he's a guy that's um I think he's prime for a breakout year. You saw some flashes of it, especially in the uh late in the season and in the bowl game last year. He had a really nice bowl game. Um, so I think I think he's a guy that you can kind of again, not comparing the two, not saying they're the same, but I think he's a guy that you can see um step into the Joe Lee role. And then the kid from Oregon that they're they're really high on. He's a guy that's put on like 20, 25 pounds since he's got here. Um, again, not really sure what he know what he's known for, more of the blocking of the receiving. But again, I'm really high on Coach Lockley and what he gets out of the tight ends. I mean, that's a really good group.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

Yeah. Uh, but also too as well. Uh got two more here, wrap up here. So buy or sell, NC State wins eight games this season. I buy this a little bit of a teaser for our upcoming uh NC, our official NC State football season predictions here. So you buy that.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:57

I do. Um, obviously Vegas has them at seven and a half, so to win that bet, you have to get to eight. Uh, I think again, everything being the way it is today on August 10th, you know, you know, an injury here or there can definitely sink that prediction. But, you know, if if they stay healthy, um, I think the schedule works out very well. Um, you know, your two, your two arguably your three toughest games this year are gonna be Virginia, Virginia, Vandy, and and Louisville. Um, you can throw in maybe Duke because we just struggle with Duke, but I just don't think they're the same. Um, and all of those are at the beginning of the season, unfortunately. Uh, and and Dave Dorn sometimes struggles at the beginning of seasons, and then we we actually I'm sorry, we're usually pretty good over the first couple of games of the season. Then we hit them right around the state fair, we hit the lull, and then we come back from the state fair, and then you know, we're we're a completely different team. But I I think we're gonna get off to a hot start this year. I really do. So I definitely buy that.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:56

Yeah. Um, so and last one here, uh, Carolina red sauce is better than the Akoni Gold originals. AK uh vinegar barbecue sauce better than mustard based, I guess, is is you're talking about but better than mustard based?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

That's not even I don't care who makes the sauce, it's already better.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:21

Okay. Is it the better best version of barbecue sauces out there? The vinegar based. How about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:26

Oh, 100%. Yeah, it's not even it's not even up for discussion. Like like mark it, clip it, put it out there. Like, no, I'm sorry. Like it's the best. I I I I don't even know like who would even like like who like who are you putting it against? Because that mustard stuff is just gross. I'm sorry. That white sauce down in Alabama, horrible. Like, what other sauce are you putting it

Carolina Red vs Original

SPEAKER_03 1:14:51

against?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:52

You're not a fan of the no lexitan barbecue?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:55

I mean Lexington's good. Like I it's like I know it's more like red, I guess. Like more, like it's not as tangy, if you will, but I like that tangy. I like when you eat that Carolina like Eastern, it hits you right here in the jawbone, like that tang. And so if I'm getting that tang right in the jawbone, I know it's good.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

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SPEAKER_03 1:16:00

You're in a good spot. No, he's right, you're in a good spot.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:03

But but I mean, you're definitely opening up some eyes for sure. If you can beat UVA and Louisville, now you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:08

Yeah, I mean, again, again, if you go in one loss, okay. Let me ask you this. If you're gonna take a loss, this is kind of the no, this is kind of an obvious question, but are you taking the loss at Vandy or the loss at UVA?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:23

Oh, Vandy. Yeah, exactly, right? Because they a conference game. I thought you were gonna say UVA versus Louisville, and I'm like, that's tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:30

No, uh well, I mean you want to defend the home the home field, so it's it's but you also I also don't want to start the season with a loss, though. Well, correctly to start the season, yeah, because especially you have a buy right after that, right? So you're gonna stew on a deep long. Correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:43

So it's tough.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:44

Yeah, no, I think again, you go out you go out and win the home or the excuse me, you go out and win the opener against UVA, that gives you a win in the conference. The the Vandy game does not hurt you in the in the big picture. Um it really doesn't hurt you if Vandy has a decent year. Um, so if you do have the one loss, um I don't think I mean obviously things will play out. I don't I don't know if the ACC gets two teams into the playoff. That's the that's I still think until they expand it one more time. I it's tough, right? You like you might be in the conversation. You saw how almost it fell apart last year with Miami.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:21

Um oh yeah, no, definitely.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:24

I I don't know if the ACC gets in two. That's that's my concern, right? Um, so I so I think the I think the obviously the easiest path is is winning the ACC.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:33

Agreed. Yeah. Still loved uh Manny Diaz trying to make a make a statement. Yeah, I think Duke should be in it. Shut up. No way.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:42

No way. But at the end of the day, it's like we are looking at a scenario. If Duke had won five years from now, they would have been in the playoff with a five loss. Like they're guaranteed, like ACC will be guaranteed a spot at the table. Um, so again, it's always the easiest path is always just get just to win the conference. Um but yeah, you gotta get you got to get there first. And that's not what we've done under the Dave Dorn era. So first step, get there, second step, win.

Wrap, Shoutouts And Meet The Pack Day

SPEAKER_01 1:18:13

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SPEAKER_03 1:19:03

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SPEAKER_01 1:19:11

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SPEAKER_03 1:19:13

So hey, before we wrap, can I give a shout out? Is that cool? Yeah, we have a new viewer tonight. We have first time viewer on the uh watch at us tonight, and she should be in bed right now, but hopefully she made it through. But my granddaughter was gonna watch us tonight, so just want to say we love you, Claire Bear. She's coming to the first game, the home game, so I'm excited to have her um at at the game, having her experience her first tailgate. And I can't wait for her to go meet Mr. and Miss Wolf. And like it's gonna be awesome. So um it's it's great being a dad, but it's even better being a grandpa. So amen. Super excited about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:49

Amen. Yeah, love that. And uh, that's another thing that I think probably gripes this day fans. Why is she married? But she's Miss Wolf.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:56

Well, misses that's an acceptable, it's not M I S S.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

So it's M S. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:02

So that can be that can that can work.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:04

Yeah, exactly. So uh yeah, yeah, Rob, we'll see you Saturday too as well. Looking forward to it. Uh Saturday, did I miss something? Oh, sorry. What what what what are we Friday night, right? What are we talking about? Well, Saturday, you know, for for game day. See you Saturday.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:21

See you see see you on Saturday, game day.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

Oh, just in general.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:26

Just in general.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:27

I'm slow. Just give a shout out here to the comments here, man. No, I appreciate Rob. Yeah. Uh but with that being said, too, as well, though, not only go check out our amazing sponsor, Coney Gold, actually go check out our Patreon too, as well. You got only five dollars a month. You get access to three members only videos per week, which is 12 members only videos a month for only five bucks. Go ahead, Greg.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:49

So, what you're telling me, you can take the savings that you get from O'Coni Gold, roll that into Patreon, and boom. There you go. Hey Rob, real quick, sorry not to interrupt. Meet the pack day is on Sunday, not Saturday. So that's what Rob is referring to. Meet the pack is Sunday at four o'clock.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:09

So don't show up on Saturday at four o'clock, Rob. You could be all by yourself.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:14

Well, apparently, they uh if you go to if you go to the area on Saturday, apparently the Carolina Hurricanes is having their uh yard sale. So there might be some good gear to go get from from them.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:23

Or Rob, you could be first in line to make sure you get CJ's auto.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:27

That's dedicated. That's dedication. Look, that's that's dedication.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:32

Hey, listen, it it's just like you said, Greg, that that's where the real estate fans are. Where the real fans are are right there. So absolutely. Uh but yeah, so just like you said though, Greg, again, you you take the money you save with the Aconey and you put it right into uh basically a a we're giving you a free uh Tuffy Talk Patreon subscription. So there you go. Bang bang for buck right there.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:54

Uh, we'll be calling the industry a two for one.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

Two for one, two for one, bing bang. Love it, love it, yin ying yin all day long. That's right. Uh so with that being said, though, Wolfback Nation, make sure to hit that subscribe button though if you haven't already. It really helps support the channel, helps make sure that this these conversations get out to more and more NC State fans out there globally. And make sure too, if you enjoyed this conversation, do us a big favor, hit that like button too as well. Make sure to give us a follow Tough Talk now on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. But with that being said, Wolfback Nation, we will see you all soon. And as always, go back, y'all.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:27

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